best catchweight ever

You're logic makes sense, but there's also more to it. There is an old article in the last gazette I got. I don't see an author for it but it's about Howard Heinzl and it tells of his opinion of JP. Howard said he lived in a state where things had to be kept more quiet. "Most people think he just bred and sold his dogs, but he rolled his dogs harder than most people fought theirs." "Colby was quite a sportsman."

 

Alligator was as good as any big dog. 57lbs conditions 70lbs on the chain. Mayfield matched him into a much bigger dog and alligator came out on top. He was rolled into some real big dogs and gave them all they could handle and some. Once a dog gets to big say 60lbs plus they are slower and sloppier and are not that athletic in comparison to a smaller dog for the most part anyhow. A 55lb dog has a chance at a 70lb dog but a 40lb dog has little to know chance against 55lb dog if that makes any sense.

 

It's the same with human's. Once man reaches a certain size he becomes to big to fight effectively.

The question is what size is that for a dog? 50-60lb? I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, who knows hey....

 

It depends on the individual. Let's take as an example. MMA fighters. The limit for heavyweights is 265. The next weight class is super heavyweights but they are so slow and sloppy that there is not even a belt for them. A 205(light heavyweight) can match against a heavyweight, cause he has the size and strength and a little bit more stamina, agility and speed.
Now here is the excemption to the rule and I'm coming back to my first sentence, that depends on the individual.
Brock Lesnar cuts a lot of weight to be 265 and still is the most athletic, agile heavyweight in the history, hands down....!
Aligator sounds he was something like that, big and athletic at the same time.

 

I have never seen Brock do ANYTHING that I would call agile, even in the WWE/F. Athletic?? Maybe...

 

It's a stretch to say Brock was agile, but deff athletic. He had FREAK endurance for a man his size. He really shocked me in that regard.

 

check the change of position at 2:40 to 2:42. That's agility at it's best for a heavyweight.
Either way, our subject here is catchweight dogs and my point is that big dogs generally lack of these attributes but there are still exceptions to the rule. Depends on the individual.

 

I am a huge boxing fan and a lot of the best heavyweights from back in the day were no more than a 190lbs. Jack Dempsey is the best example of this he never lost a round to a bigger man. He was 6'1'' 187lbs when he won the title and his opponent Jess Wilard was 6'7'' 250lbs and was the heavyweight champ. Worst beating ever in all combat sports hands down.

 

Whats with comparing mma and boxing to dogs? Nothing to do with catchweight either way. According to Armitage and Redican, Colby never had any interest what so ever in going to matches, he had enough of his own dogs to test them for quality before selling or letting others match them.

 

Size should make little difference, there has been plenty fast big dogs ,,,and some small dogs are plodders ,,,

 

The comparison is to show man like dog is only good up to a certain size then they start to lack in all types of athletic ability. I would say around 55lbs conditioned is the sweet spot for a dog once they get bigger than that they lack coordination, speed, reflexes and stamina. I am sure there will always exceptions to the rule but that's just my personal opinion on the subject.

 

Pincher - From the Colby Book



Bit on Colby from the Armitage Book

 

Let's be honest, as great as Pinscher was he couldn't dream of having that record with the competition of modern dogs.....

 

Not all of over 20 dog He fought was pitbull. In modern fastlane competition is almost impossible To do that record

 

1906 Advert from The Dog Fancier for Pincher. I think they got the forty wins mixed up with the no dog ever lasting forty minutes with him.

Never heard any names of dogs he beat though, which common sense says that maybe things were a bit exaggerated by external parties.

 

If I was a betting man I would bet that Colbys Pincher would kill most of what in the yards today.

 

There were dogs matched at 65lbs back in the 1850's. A lot of the old dogs had wins over 2nd rate and lower competition.

Who knows 99% of pit bull terriers never had their story told. If bred by a well known dogman who had money to adverise they were recorded and then never heard of again it they lost or were sold to lesser known competitors.

Unless there are reliable records of contests all we have are a few lines of text to go on.

Pincher looked and sounds like a beast but we will never know against the modern sized larger dogs