Working Bulldog Types

AGK you are absolutely right about the Bulldog almost coming extinct after World War ll that's when John D Johnson and Alan Scott went on a search across the country to find all stock they could get their hands on. Like you I was not around in 1950 either.

 

I agree Soze.

 

What breed ware they , they are not a brutish breed , they is no record of any British type Bulldog that would compare to American Bulldogs , the old sour mug bulldogs ware developed in mid 1800s ,, sort of similar to way the American Bullys came about in recent years ,, but what Iam asking where is there any articles pre 1950 on this large American white Bulldogs ,, is there any ?

 

museum British bulldog skull from the 1860s. Looks nothing like the modern EB. The Spanish, the French, the English, The Italians, etc. They all had what they refered to as bulldogs and mastiffs. John D Johnson stated that the Old Southern Bulldog was almost extinct in an interview. Which is where that idea came from. However, how in the world would he know who had these dogs outside his immediate area? We are talking rt after WW2, no internet or easy way to search. Later on, him and Scott went out looking and were able to find em. Lots of others did the same, guess what, they were able to find more.

 

I have 100s of pics of this "type" dog pre 1950. The pics are out there, Not gonna try to continue to convince anyone. If u do a fairly simple search u will find. The AB now could still be considered a mutt. Different breeds were added, the EB, done by and admitted by JDJ himself. The St Bernard is widely considered to have been added, the DDB, The Boxer, Catahula, APBT and who knows what else. If u want consistency, u need to find a family, or line that has been used/ worked for generations. They are out there too. Id say most, maybe 90/10 are not from a consistant family, what AB people call hybrids.

 

it is always the same , but no one show genuine evidence , like an article or photos from magazine/book pre 1950 saying what the dogs are ,, I think all the breeds mentioned Boxers , mastiff types Catahulas , large APBTs ware all used for sure but the breed was made up around 1950-60s ,,

 

1948 Spike An big gray American Bulldog in the cartoon serie Tom & Jerry. Just An useless fact but that's me,LOL.

 

In the past I judged on APBT and AB Conformation shows. The man who started overhere the AB breed was inspired by the cartoon Spike. Was a great stand up guy, ambassadeur for the APBT as well. RIP Mr.Wildbunch.

 

Tell me your kidding? I just posted multiple pics and a fucking skull in a museum stating its a bulldog. Your not gonna find anything saying an American Bulldog did this or that. The -name- was created in the 60s, I think. Pre new name, it was called by multiple names depending on region. Most names had the word bulldog in it.

 

That's what I was told as well. The name is new the dog is not.

 

ahhh....what's in a name and did it really become extinct after the banning of bull baiting???

Literature says yes however the olde Bulldog 'spirit' is still well and truly alive (physical characteristics/functional ability) in some of the various 'types' today, with perhaps (debatably) two predominantly being the closest to the 'source' having an American name attached to them....lol.....either way, we all know of it's British origin so it's all good.

Video featuring two old school breeders Alan Scott and Don Matthews...



..... here is part 2 for the curious....



A fanciers research on the breed...



....and a visit he made to the breeders mentioned previously...



Breeder Billy Hines (and J.D Johnson) holds the opinion that the APBT is a terrier cross descendant off the now American Bulldog....(I beg to differ, as I think if one were to come after the other it would be the AB as Colby's Pincher http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=5650 could easily pass for a 'standard' (Scott) type moreso than wondering why the mutt is so big...no offence Dex...lol).



....finally for shits and giggles #4 of the Hines yard tour features a dog at 9:17 called Lucifer (Painter line) who came from Ohio with a reputation of 14OTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHHyevgYJp4

 

Mate in all fairness were are these pics???
You showed pics that ain’t American bulldogs at all.and so what about the skull from the museum??
Not a American bulldogs skull.so how is that evidence???
You say you have tons of pic of the breed before 1950 but you ain’t posted one.
You posted pictures of bulldogs and pit bulls.
No offence to you watsoever but what you put forth is far from evidence.
This breed was made up in the 1950s to re create a big mastiff type mutt that had went extinct about a hundred and fifty years before hand.to re create this mutt from the days of Buffon they used all kinds because the original mutt said were no longer.it is not a American origin but it is American developed.

And fuck of you pat the puppet you know nothing.you are a pure rank yellow belly cur.

Ricky, Old Guy all the best!

 

hey Sookie the Fiddler oh great historical know-all....long time no see you in the naughty corner.....behave yourself or embarrass yourself again kiss-ass...lmfao.

 

post the photo , I can't see the thumbnail size ,,if I click on them it just says error .. but if your going to post , post where you seen them mentioned as a type of American Bulldog , show a pre 1950s photo in a magazine / book that say's one of these names,, show the article, as I believe all these American Bulldog types are a modern made up breed ,, the Bulldog from Tom and Jerry is probably the only evidence ,Iv looked for ages old mags and books , and never once seen them mentioned

 

You won't find that because your looking for a name that didn't exist then. The dogs did but the name did not.

 

It's basically a trick question. It can't be answered or shown because the name American Bulldog didn't exist yet.

 

Are the pics I posted showing up for everyone as thumbnails? For me, they are full size. Anyhow, if u are looking for evidence pre 1950s, look for Old English Bulldog, Old Sothern White, Mountain Bulldog, White English Bulldog, etc, or just Bulldog. The English Bulldog didnt look like the show version it does now. Some didnt get bred down to the non-functional junk it is now. Similarly, I believe some APBT got some terrier bred in, some didnt. Bred for function, not the name

 

I call every dog that risks it all a bulldog. If I search bulldog only thing comes up is a dog that risks diabetic coma lol

 

I see them as whole pics not thumbnails. I've never had the issues seeing them though that some others do. Thought that was being fixed.

American Pit Bulldog was another name I was told was used pre 50s.

 

I looks for any mention of large white bull dog types ,,and never found any till post 1950s