Be that one

Just so all of you young and green DOGMEN who don't know now know !!

Be shocked if he doesn't quit, not shocked if he does quit !!
Don't be that DOGMAN who thinks that if a dog quits no matter the time or damage he's a CUR DOG regardless..

Be that DOGMAN whose wise enough to know that just because a dog isn't DEAD GAME it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't game..
Be that DOGMAN who knows the difference between a 15min wall jumping while on top CUR DOG and a REALLY GAME to VERY GAME DOG who eventually quit after much time n much damage..
Don't be that DOGMAN who thinks that these dogs are either DEAD GAME or CUR DOGS and there isn't any in between with these dogs..
Be that DOGMAN who knows & understands that there is different levels of gameness in these dogs and MOST(99.90%) aren't dead game, meaning MOST(99.90%) will quit !

AGAIN, don't be that DOGMAN who doesn't get it, be that DOGMAN who does get it !

This is just because last years a lot off good dogs are died in 4x4 just because the ego off their owners. Dont try to see your dog if he is dead game or not. Just pick up your good dog. Dead game is dead dog, dead dog is impotent dog. Dead dog is useless.

 

Folk who try to breed off dead game dogs won't get very far will they? Lol

 

All subjective. In the past folks win 3 and other side yelling fucking cur only reason ours stop was a bad keep lol

 

There's no builders square, spirit level, or exact measurement for Gameness (pity.) I think it's same as selling dogs for profit, along with style, colour & build preference.. It's really down to owners standards and opinions.

Always believed any dog that stopped, no matter how long or hard a night it had did not meet the breed standard, but some of gamest dogs around were descendants of Wood's Snooty and Finley's Bo, also one of gamest dogs [DG] I ever saw was Black Max 2xw, sired by CH.Klogger 'who quit' and out of CH.Sheena Black 'who also quit'.

Others on here might have their own opinions and examples, but sometimes it's a case of 'you can only piss with what's in your own trousers' so best to try be honest with what you got available at hand if you'll excuse the pun

 

With everyone’s standards being different I guess you can question every dogs pedigree. Can only really go off what you see I guess. If your the one feeding and picking up the shit I guess it’s only your opinion that matters anyway. If I remember hearing right I’m sure ch gnasher was one that quit on top? Mind you sure I was told he was looked at way to often.

Not into breeding but the science if that’s the right word of breeding gameness has always been an interesting topic. No one seems to have the perfect formula do they. Dogs who are game and look well on paper still can go on to produce curs. Then dogs that quit have produced deep game dogs. Then as you rightly say everyone’s measurement of it is different. Plus how people keep their dogs bet there has been plenty written off as curs. Yet In different hands might of been a different story.
Heard DD was bit of a dr.doodle for example. Not the words the bloke who told me that or I would of been sure he was on a wind up. Actually said to me along the lines of him being able to really bond with a dog. Almost able to talk a dog back from on the brink of quitting. Lol I know it sounds bit of a fairy tale but bloke who told me, I’m sure wasn’t taking the piss. Said after he saw DD he just knew he didn’t have that in him and so stuck to what he was good at, conditioning.

 

To me is very clear, we all know most will breed to winners because most dont likes to be associated with losers,quiters .... but we also know ..the truth is that these dogs are almost in every pedigree under the sun. For me is a cur a dog who quit for no reason.

If we talk about breeding, There are offcourse certainly many other factors to consider like the reputation off the Family, the ratio off good calibre dogs that came out, of the bloodline and the main item consistency.

I would say , breed the dogs that didnt quit yet in any circumstances. Dogs are called for a reason game dogs. Analyze everything that has to do with the dog you want to breed with it. Like I said above

I always think about this, he would make it but he couldnt or he could make it but he wouldnt it is all about seeing the difference.

 

Theoretically I don't give a damn about game. Give me the match dog that will test if you got a game one.

 

Yes Sir BB well said. However let's not forget in the words of Three Dog, He bites last bites hardest ...

 

Ive personally with my own hands brought home a 2 year old bulldog that quit. However the camp behind the hound didn't do there part at all. I took time with the hound went back into the same bulldog 5 months later and got a w.. Difference is, Love, nutrition, proper keep we know the rest of the story. I've seen many of Bulldogs ruined in the hands of ofc folks. No proper Schooling ECT. It's an old story and it want always work out. A bond with my hounds is enough to give them the will to come across......

 

Some of the time. Not all the time. Lol

 

@David Hunt . Thats why i said its about seeing the difference between he would make it but he couldnt and he could make it but he wouldnt. If you have a good dog and you give him exactly what he need , like proper keep, dog care, attention he Will respond to that in a positieve way.

I know few dogs who did quit in very bad shape and win later very hard shows. And some off them toke later ch or gr ch title. What about that?I think that says a lot, what a proper dogman, proper dog, proper dog care , keep can achieve.

Gr Ch Tarraco’s Budy jr 5w 1l

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=275559

 

I got pissed of years ago over a bitch which had fuck all to do with me lol. Some idiot was bad mouthing the dog rather than telling the story of what happened. Think it’s bit sad to use dogs as a way of stroking your ego but hey it takes all sorts. Anyway proper bad mouthing the bitch. Yet the way this bitch was kept was disgusting and I don’t say that lightly. Kennel way to small and full of shit, dog not let out of the kennel for days at a time either. I know because I asked the owner when I saw the state of it and he kinda laughed it off telling me. Had him let her out and I picked up the shit even though not my dog. I know it’ll only get filled up again but I couldn’t walk away from that. Offered him the little money I had being a school kid only a couple hundred pounds. He said no and spoke about the plans for her, course then later down the line I heard she quit. Just bothered me to hear her being spoken bad about when the poor dog was owned by such an idiot.

Another bloke I met everyone bad mouthed him, well most people. So I was expecting some the stuff I heard to be true. Well fuck me was I shocked. This man lived for his dogs and they was immaculate and could instantly see the bond between him and his dogs. One of the very few people I’d have no concerns at all about giving a dog too. Those dogs really was his life and he was one the nicest people I met in the dogs.

Back on the subject regarding dogs in the right hands. Someone offered me a bitch years back. Straight away I questioned it lol why you offering her to me for free then type thing. Think he found it funny as was bit of banter between us about him offering me dog that he thinks is no good. Laughed back and told him to fuck off. Pretty sure he said she wouldn’t start up. Was young still living at home and already had a dog but thought my parents wouldn’t complain for to long if I bought one more home lol. Only room for one more though so not a chance I wanted a bitch this blokes offering for free because no good. Some months later speaking with someone else and they tell me they saw the bitch now owned by someone else on the weekend. Spoke about how impressive she was. Would you believe it the bitch only went on to make ch lol. Hearing about her every time I’d always be thinking to myself I can’t believe I didn’t take her. Weird ain’t it, from being offered for free because no good, to then making ch and people been in the dogs years all rating her. Dunno what happened lol

 

A very well bred Bulldog