174,000 bullets? is the SSA afraid of seniors?

Why does Social Security need 174,000 bullets?

By STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | Associated Press – 2 hrs 33 mins ago

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WASHINGTON (AP) — It didn't take long for the Internet to start buzzing with conspiracy theories after the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was purchasing 174,000 hollow-point bullets.
Why is the agency that provides benefits to retirees, disabled workers, widows and children stockpiling ammunition? Whom are they going to use it on?
"It's not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest," the website Infowars.com said.
Another website, The Daily Caller, said the bullets must be for use against American citizens, "since the SSA has never been used overseas to help foreign countries maintain control of their citizens."
The clamor became such a distraction for the agency that it dedicated a website to explaining the purchase. The explanation, it turns out, isn't as tantalizing as an arms buildup to defend against unruly senior citizens.
The bullets are for Social Security's office of inspector general, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes, said Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant IG for external relations.
The agents carry guns and make arrests — 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.
Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.
Some bloggers have taken issue with the type of ammunition the agency is buying, questioning why agents need hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are known for causing more tissue damage than other bullets when they hit a person because they expand when they enter the body.
The bullets, however, are standard issue for many law enforcement agencies, Lasher said, a fact confirmed by the directors of two law enforcement training centers.
"For practice ammunition, they do not have to be hollow-points, but hollow-points are the normal police round used for duty ammunition due to their ability to stop when they hit an object as opposed to going through it and striking more objects," said William J. Muldoon, president of the International Association of Directors of Law Enforcement Standards and Training.
"Six hundred rounds per year for training, qualification and I would assume to carry on duty is not out of line at all," said John W. Worden, director of the University of Missouri's Law Enforcement Training Institute. "Hollow points are carried by law enforcement all over the country and are probably the preferred type of ammo no matter what caliber."
The episode illustrates what can happen when a seemingly salacious tidbit gets amplified and embellished on the Internet.
A few weeks ago, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had a similar dustup when it solicited bids for 46,000 rounds of ammunition and shooting targets, seemingly to arm workers at the National Weather Service. It turns out the notice had a clerical error and the bullets were for NOAA's Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, the agency said.
Social Security's turn in the pillory hit a crescendo when Jay Leno joked about it in a recent monologue on "The Tonight Show." ''What senior citizens are they worried about?" Leno asked. "I mean, who's going to storm the building?"
Lasher said, "That's why we opened a blog post. We were getting a lot of inquiries and the blog gave us a vehicle to put all of the accurate information out there in one place, so that those who are interested or concerned can read what the real story is."

 

So they use hollow point rounds to practice shooting paper? Our hard earned tax dollars going to good use as usual.......

 

scary shit huh? anyone else worried about the future of the social security program?

 

I'm 34 and feel as if by the time I am of retirement age Social Security will no longer available. It'll be long spent and gone. That's why I invest in a 403 b.
I don't believe their buying ammo for some conspiracy theory though. I think their doing exactly what the government does, waste money.

 

but why waste money on ammo? maybe new computers, desks and comfy seats for their asses, whatever...but ammo?

 

without ammo, our guns are worthless. the government cant take our guns, but its becoming obvious that thye sure can make it hard to get ammo for them. have ya ever wonder why the prices of ammo have doubled or tripled in the past 10 years? the only answer ive gotten is the price of copper, lead and brass has risen and that seems kinda fishy.... its not like we're running out of that shit.

 

Besides the elderly it's only the "specials" that get ssi, ssd. Why would they need ammo if they weren't preparing for some civil uprising of sorts. This is indeed some scary shit

 

Lol when I saw the title to this thread I thought
It was about the SSA.trigger from geissele !...
That is.crazy ! Shit like this makes me want to
Start reloading !... Anyone here reload ?

Nmdogs

 

i reload like a man on a mission

 

Thats cool I wouldnt even know where to start !
All this is crazy come nov. Ammo will be no where
To be found ! Just like last time ! And with.all these
Goverment agencies putting in big orders imo it
Will take at least a year or two before they catch
Up with production !

Nmdogs

 

the ABC's of reloading is a great book if you are serious about getting started

 

Its coming yall just wait , hell they are teaching kids to rat the folks out if they have a bong. what do you think is next. they will have them fill out paper to let them cocksuckers know how many guns the dad and mom has, so they know how many of them 357 slugs they need to pump in the daddy. There was a movie out about 15 years ago Red Dawn, its going to be like that but it will be our own boys doing it to us.

 

exactly why my daughters have been taught NOT to talk about my family's gun collections. at school...to the cops... NOBODY.
they understand the importance of family kept secrets. i wouldnt say i have brainwashed them(but the wackos sure would)... ive just made sure to explain to them the world is full of ugliness and piece of shit people that are always looking to take whats yours based on their fucked up beliefs....and that includes our dogs.

 

i ain't worried about the bullets the least bit because if SHTF they ain't bringing guns. engineered humans & biological shit & energy grids is what they will use. bullets didn't stop the terminator & 12 monkeys was a bitch.

 

Thanks i'll look it up and see how much it is !
Reloading seems like the best option for me
At this point in time !

Nmdogs

 

Here's my question:

Why does the SSA need to investigate fraud when that should fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI?

It seems hinky to me.

Actually, reloading is not that economical anymore. Federal regulations have raised prices of components to the point that it is actually cheaper to buy inexpensive brands of complete ammo rather than pay the extra costs to reload.

 

From what I saw last night the only pricey components
Are the brass and powder ! 100.count of sierra matchking
Hpbt in 69 grain for the 223 rem is going for 25 to 28
Shipped idk if that a good deal or not.? Seems good
To me and I found 200 count 165 grain speer gold dots
For under 40 bucks

 

I can get 100 Tullammo .223 rds already loaded for $25.00. $5.00(actually $4.97) per box of 20 at Wal-Mart. Sure they are 55 grain FMJ & steel cased ammo like CCI, but $5.00 a box is cheaper than just paying that for the bullet(projectile) itself.

 

Also, if you look in Shotgun News you can find cheaper ammo than that. Brass cased FMJ .223's 1000 rds for under $400.00.

Buying ammo is cheaper than reloading is.

 

Here's a cheap case of 1000 rds of .223:

223 Aguila 55gr FMJ ammo, 1000rd case.