Alligator/Alligator Crosses

Ngk we are talking about the family it has been bred on. We are in a alligator and alligator cross thread. This is a alligator brasken cross and if u can see the out that was used was of the same family. So never had to use any other family to keep the traits of the alligator dogs

 

I can see it clear as a drink of water, I can also see 3 different understandings being bred for a few generations being brought back together hence the COUSIN breeding. Don used to tell me it takes but 3 generations to fuck it all up so you better hope that Key and Rod checked every generations or your going to have alot of culling to do.

NGK

 

Ok buddy thanks for the kindergarten paragraph of your understandin

 

every thing checked after solo .......
the dog that i talked in the other topic ..vs black beard ...
good dog ....pure braskin no outs

 

What is it that comprises a family?
Most view a family on a piece of paper and if the names all look the same or they all go back to a paticular dog or dogs, they say its family.
I view a family much in the same way that Limey does, in that they must all share certain traits above and beyond what the paper says. To me the paper is secondary to any observable traits.
I don't remember what it was called but Limey wrote a paper once where he stated something to the effect that some people in a family resemble eachother more than others...etc. It sounded like a very sound and logical statement to me.

 

GP I remember that post. Limey alluded to the fact that sometimes we can look more like our distant relatives than our closer ones, for example you might look more like your grandfather's brother than your own father etc.

 

Your welcome Shine.

NGK

 

what limey said is truth .....he look around to your own family
but the fact is he have no cleu what he is doing....
and beside that he is pushing fake peds on the end of the carriere ...
is that not saying enough lol.....
fake

 

mickey mousse and fien
most of the kids of mickey mousse looking like her sister fien .....very normal in family's lol

 

looked.............................................................................

 

I think the physical appearance is somewhat important but the performance is the key, certain cousin crosses produce throwback looks but don't bring the ability of the foundation to the strain. We can all name 100's of dogs that are bred out the ass that aren't worth a bet but them perdy papers sure do impress... Go to any dog show and you will see dogs that Look the part, lol.

Why do you think I have stuck with my family of dogs even when people look at the papers and say "I dont recognise anything up close"... because they win...


NGK

 

I think NGK is right in that performance is the key. Everyone can agree that certain families throw certain looks and structured dogs. And everyone of us probably likes a different variation of structure and look. With that being said looks vary but traits should be consistant if breedings are based on performance within, what everyone refers to, as a family. I don't know anything about the dogs in the ped that gilligan last posted but I would feel alot safer going with the dogs on the bottom side of the ped than the top because of what was referred to earlier as "the names in the ped"!

 

damn ebad, nice dog!

 

And see that's where most would go wrong the top half wet very good dogs all tested hard. The name of the man that made the top half has nothing to do with that blood nd they showed to be the best of the alligator cross from that yard.
But I'm not going to get into that we are on the bord talking about alligator cross dogs and like most I showed the dogs that I put together that showed me the traits that I liked from the alligator family of dogs. I took the best dogs avalibel with the true peds. All I can speak on is the dogs I seen with my Owen eyes. And breed and cull what I get that's all.
Now I can tell u something that I don't like to much and that is any time someone post a ped with a nice bred tight family of why came from the mayfield stock u get a few haters that will talk about testing the dogs in the ped. As if every dog that they ever bred or ever Owend was from a family That 100 % of the dogs were tested. But I ask tested into what ? Shit I man could test a dog into a shit dog but is good to him. And most of the same so called dog men don't even Owen a roll dog or know what one is. I don't clame to know it all or to have the best dogs but trust me I give no free pass cripple blind or 99 u earn ur keep here

 

My intent wasn't to disrespect, discredit, or belittle anyone or there chosen dogs. I simply stated my opinion, which is just that, my opinion. I would simply choose a different path and dogs than the ones in the top half gilligan.

 

And if u don't mind me asking why is that?

 

I only ask because the alligator dogs in the top half are the same that made the bottom. A very good hard biting bitch.
And brasken produced very good dogs he was from don. So was queen tut, don't matter who Owend them. Askum was also a very good dog as close to dons yard as u will get and a dog that didn't come from rods master mind.
Put them together and u have Asia her hole litter was good with her being the best rep. Of that family and throwing the best traits.
Now for or-not many of u dog men don't know but he was a very good dog also and his last litter was into Asia to make but not a very good dog I Owend and his belly sister Cleo ( that don said she was a key bitch) I also Owend the other two in that litter did not show the family as well but all in all were ok dogs. So by u saying that it will show ur understanding of the alligator family is very small and u breed only because of the name u see on a ped I my self only care about 3 things. 1 if the dog will throw the traits it was bred for and showed. 2. Has a true ped. 3.a dog I my self have seen work and like I said befor shows the traits of the family it was bred from. See we all breed for what we like and want and for anyone to dismiss a dog because of what u hear or read is only lowering there chance to make better dogs. See a lot of men don't like rod because of how he did them or what they have herd about him but trust me when I tell u this when a dog is born its ability to make good dogs is there it don't matter who owes it or who matched it or if it wins loses or draws the out come of its off spring will be the same its genetics will always be the same.

 

Well then you are sitting on the dogs that you like and use. As long as you are happy and you feel your dogs represent themselves and there family that's great.

 

Na just trying to hold on to a little alligator family as long as I can not to much around

 

Or-Not was a very good dog. You wouldn't think a dog like Or-Not would have the traits attributed to smaller dogs but he did.
Is-Not and But-Not were also very good dogs. Say what you want about my old Blitz bitch out of Is-Not but I think that she could have stood right there along side my best bitch today.
Spookie may be your only question but I wouldn't fret over it. I had a similar experience with the grand-dam to my mutts and it doesn't seem to have affected them much.

I have a hard time understanding what it means to "test" a dog. Why does it matter what you test it with? No matter what and how many you use, the test puts your dog at a maximum disadvantage and stress and his gameness is tested. What most here are calling a test to us is just another roll, another look to see if the dog has the traits availabe to be competitive, but it has nothing to do with testing a dogs gameness, just the opposite.