Bad day already (pic heavy)

I know ABK you did everything you could for her. But you never know what was going on internally. Just like when a dog is in a car accident. Looks fine on the outside bumps and bruises. But dies a few days later. Sometime the trama of it all.

And yes SE it can happen in dogs as well.

 

so sorry. it's never easy eh? seems like we all go through it more than a few times too, but that comes with the territory i guess. my condolences.

 

I am very sorry to hear of your loss. She was a pretty girl. RIP Bailey

 

Thank you Game_Test for getting down to the imporant subjects.


I don't know very much about animal shock and fluid administration and would like to ask you guys to impart some knowledge on me if your willing.

The reason I ask this is in all honesty in no regards to saving a dog after engaging in dog fighting (honestly I don't partake in dog fighting nor plan to). I ask this because if a dog were to get into a scuffle with a stray or wild animal, what should I do in order to save the dog from shock? Where can I purchase DEX, and what fluids should always be on hand? Also, is an IV required to admister the fluids? If so, how do you set it up and where do you inject the animal?


I know I have asked a lot, hopefully you can patiently answer all of these questions.

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ABK sorry again, that sucks. it was probably kidney failure combined with shock.

 

Thanks for all the condolances & info guys. I know I don 't know it all so I am always willing to learn.

I would like to ask these questions - game test, if it were shock that got her, how come she didn't "act" shocky? Most of the dogs I have seen in shock were disoriented, either walked unsteadily or couldn't walk at all, were glassy eyed or had a glazed stare & refused food or water.

My girl could walk well, (although gingerly), had clear mental faculties, clear eyes, was drinking & trying to eat, etc.

Also, what about kidney failure? She got plenty of fluid & was peeing normally w/ no blood. Isn't that a sign of good kidney function?

I spoke to a knowledgable dog person about this & he seemed to think there was a slow internal bleeder &/or internal injuries that got her.

 

Speak to your primary DVM.

 

ABK,

When I was definging shock I meant the most simple definition. Lack of oxygen perfusion to vital organs. There are several forms of shock, but hypovolemic (low blood volume) would apply here whether the bleeding was internal or external. Basically, if we think of the body as a container, and there is a leak...we have to fix it, or there is not enough fluid to perfuse what needs to be. Now here is a thing or two I know about fluids...specifically Dextrose, Lactated Ringer's, and Normal Saline. If we place them in the blood stream, and do not fix the cause of the leak...we are causing more damage because it those fluids dilute blood, and prevent clotting. In cases of trauma, for simplicity sake we'll say a person is shot in the arm, and we give fluid without stopping the bleeding first we will cause a medical problem because 1) we've inhibited clotting by introducing IV fluids, and thus cant control further bleeding and 2) the fluids now in the system are stabilizing blood pressure, but can't carry oxygen.

That being said, did you ever see any discoloration, distention (from blood filling where its not supposed to be ie the abdominal cavity), feel rigidity, or was she tender to the touch in the abdomial area? If so...then it is likely that she suffered from further internal bleeding.

 

it is really hard to say. ive seen a dog go for an hour. he was picked up, cleaned up and even ate and drank water. he died too the next morning. he didnt have much external damage either, but i suspect it did have something to do with what i call compression inuruies. under the skin. shock comes in many forms, she may have just been in mild shock and the combo of everything took her out. she wasnt conditioned at all and who knows how long they went at it. she definately could have had some internal bleeding too.

 

I am so sorry to hear this. If there is anything I can do let me know. RIP sweet girl.

 

Thanks again guys for all the info. It is really helpful & I love to get different views from knowledgable dog people.

Also, thanks again for all the condolances. Your kindness means a lot to me.

I didn't see any discoloration or rigidity in her abdomen, but she did have it in her shoulder/armpit area. She only had 4 big & deep fang marks there, but the area was black & blue & quite swollen. It appeared that the wounds had clotted well, b/c when she was up & about the holes weren't actively bleeding, but when I moved her body after she passed, a LOT of blood came out of the holes.

 

My condolences, ABK, may your gal RIP.

I know that this is an old post but it was always my understanding that when a dog goes for more than 30 minutes you want to get them on an IV of lactated ringers ASAP regardless of how they look, act....of course this advice was from more than 10 years ago when I was concerned about such matters. And I am paranoid and kind of a baby when it comes to my dogs.
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