Beanie

you lot are a breed apart thats for sure. guess ill just stick to what ive seen myself from here on. good luck to yall.

 

That's the best thing you can do zuidwest.
Again,if you're happy with what you have than it's all good in da hood.
If not,change dogs and get something better from parents you've seen

 

nothing wrong with my dogs mate let that be clear.
i just like to know how dogs are bred and escpecially now since i have used a son of suzie for my last breeding, and now people starting to talk about wrong peds and such, getting me slightly irritated here, because judas being the backbone in my last breeding, sure would be nice to know where he sits in the pedigree then wouldnt it. but heey lets all just have laugh here.

 

common sense should have told u from the start some of the things were not adding up

1) Size. The background of Judas are dogs of 20 inches .Judas himself was around 18 inch
he produced mostly dogs bigger than he was .
On the contrary the size of the real sire was 16 inch, the line was known to produce lanky dogs and infact was widely known for producing the smallest known pitbuill at just 17 pounds

2) Colour Judas produced mostly white and or black with white dog , some of em having small blue spots
the real sire was red with white ,
It should raise an eyebrow that there is so much red in a line that's known to be predominantly white

U do the math use the eye. And the truth will reveal itself.
Remember one does not breed to a dog , but to a family
without the knowledge of that particular family one cannot breed consistent.

 

Also this whole lie about this bitch being out of Fly is garbage.
This bitch is out of brother sis combo out of Dino and silver
The brother and sister out of this combo were bitch being a red dog with blue nose, Barney being a white deaf dog

From this litter came a bitch called Kessie or suzie or something was given to LT. The reason for this was Both barney and his sister were nothing special
Papers were done without any permission and caused several riffs between people back than.
the only difference was those involved didnt rat like the so called dogman out today

here u go southwest now u know the papers on them dogs

 

at the end of the day you were still involved with the swapping of the papers.
Enough said about the so called dog man of the past.

 

Red bitch was called coalminers scooby

 

the mating with Barney x Scooby was done by a lad well known in Staff circles his name was T and after this the litter was sold..Scooby and Barney where indeed brother sister Scooby was cold and Barney quit
no secrets about that, Silver was a deepgame bitch never quit...Dino was tested and was a slow starter later on he was tested and scratched like a train his owner back then got into apbt and the dog was kept as a pet..
so pups from these combination where sold by T..don't know what happened with them but should be tatoo on them from JDVG...

 

ok so correct me if im wrong but suzie is down from barney X scooby and they are both down from dino X silver?

 

in what manner did barney quit? seeing as though he was bred at least 2 times one gotta think there was at least some worth in this dog.
and maybe any pictures on barney, scooby and dino?

 

2 of em were at a fella called E
one of them was send to LT kennels and bred with the notorious Beavis

they were than being sold supposedly out of fly.

Most of them had the build of the and colouration of Beavis.
some were reddish brindle
how anyone could imagine them coming out of two white dogs is beyond me
One only needs the eye to understand the dogs don't represent there pedigrees

 

just like to say that when i bred of judas to gayle most of that litter turned out
up on the leg big dogs and were mostley white in colour

atb bob

 

The dogs MILO and RICKY both quit thats it togh shit whod want to own a dog with these dogs in a pedigree

 

Both dogs are close up on some of the more proven dogs of recent times.
They in turn have produced dogs of similar quality.
Rather than criticise them owners for deciding on that blood,i would give them credit. The dogs also.
Very few staffords have seen true work for a long time now,so there has never been the fortune of selection of bloodline or quality of ancestors. Therefore them yards worked with the best of what was available,in their opinion.
In your opinion JT,the staffords of today from certain lines are not gamebred. That ain't hard to understand as you have explained clearly enough on how a gamebred dog should be bred. I look in on your opinion as to how a gamebred dog should be bred & find it hard to believe that there has ever been such a stafford in history bred this way.
Your opinion of Milo on that day is well known & those i spoke to who were there also,share some of your feelings,but not all. Far as i know,he has never been touted as a great working stafford by his owner or anyone else for that matter. He walked away with the money & that was all that counted.
Maybe you can give your opinion on Ricky as you saw it or you can clear up the rumour that his owner blamed a rub & being further denied a re-run to prove the point.
I seem to recollect that Ricky pleased his last owners when he was an old dog,so maybe he finally matured when he got to pensioner stautus ?

 

You can talk to who you want about MILO the dog stood barking in his corner when released then walked over growling with his tail up , the owners pushed the dogs into each other to make them fight and they snapped and snarled like two street curs , walking round each other growling , the owner of Chainman then picked his dog up and threw him on top of MILO to make them fight , theyu snapped and growled then turned and snapped , each dog quit several times both were rank curs . As for taking the money thats all that counted that shows your understanding had i owned either dog then id have picked it up as money means nothing in gamedogs the reason we match them is to propve ones understanding of breeding conditioning and to see how game our dogs are , as for those you spoke to who were there that day then it shows there understanding if they thought either dog was worth a lollipop . As for Ricky he quit cold also that many have dogs with these curs in there pedigrees tells you plenty about the understanding of the fools that bred to these dogs its not MY opinion its FACTS that these dogs quit have false pedigrees thats not my doing i just wont LIE or agree with what those who were not there want to believe simply because some peddlar/dealer bred from dogs that were not game had false pedigrees and thats something todays owners have to live with as its FACTS . How is me telling about a match i refereed critising , what would you rather i do tell it different then the history of these dogs looks better , why should anyone get credit for breeding to a cur that wouldnt fight , i thought we were talking about GAMEDOGS obviously your opinion and mine thankfully differ when it comes to GAMENESS , i dont care how many dogs come down from these curs they are not GAMEBRED and you are not gonna change these FACTS as thats what they are , what i tell you is not a opinion its FACTS i was the referee and the referees decision is FINAL . How you can give credit to a person that breeds to a cur and give credit to a dog that wouldnt fight is beyond my understanding , no wonder these dogs are nopw a laughing stock in the gamedog scene when people like yourself make such ridiculous statements , you think that breeding from curs advances a breed , i cant actually believe anyones that dumb , yu must be winding me up or having a laugh

 

I was not praising them two dogs,but giving credit to the dogs & owners who are down from them.
I also never mentioned anyone giving praise to either dog that day.
No,i don't have a problem in you criticising them two dogs,but i do have a problem in you criticising the dogs down from them.
Gamebred,gameness or whatever your understanding,there still ain't "ever in the history of dogs" been a stafford which could be labelled that way on your basis. That is fact !!
In truth JT,i am winding you up & having a laugh. No doubt about it,you are the most entertaining dogman these isles have ever produced.
Rather than start a pissing match on the board for all to see,send me a pm.

I'll quote my gr-daughter when i keep telling her the same old tales of swimming with sharks & fighting the Argentinians..................
"oh no,here we go again"

 

Finito im not criticising those dogs or those decended from them simply telling the truth that they were curs and anything with either dog in there pedigree is cur bred thats not criticism but Facts and i dont give credit to dogs that wont fight or to breeders that breed from such dogs as were talking gamedogs not KC bred pets or showdogs , now coz most dogs have these curs in there pedigrees thats nothing to do with me but it is the fault of those that bred to the dogs now if you people cant handle that TRUTH ........... like ive said before look on the end of the chains its easy to understand why people dont like truth as for being entertaining then at least the entertainment is facts from my own personal experience and not from reading books and listening to opinions of people that never saw the dogs or were not even in dogs back in the day , yet today they are experts also ive swam with sharks and fought dogs in ARGENTINA and won

 

I believe the show went for 1.10 or around that. Tell me JT,if both dogs quit several times & all they done was snap,turn & growl throughout then who was the competent referee chosen on the day ?
Last but not least,how many scratches did each dog make ?

Two questions is all that i have wrote.....................

 

You know who the referee was so why ask ? have you some ulterior motive ? you were not there were not involved so mind your own buisness , if you want to ask personal questions PM me anytime

 

I have just read through all the above post and have a question for those who own dogs from this line of dogs . Does anyone own a dog that has a genuine pedigree ? that they are able to trace back to the dogs that came from Ireland . All i see is people disputing the way dogs are bred on every thread on any board , do none of you keep genuine pedigrees for your dogs ? Now before you all start hissy fitting , this is a genuine question based on reading the above post that were all placed by owners of dogs from this line .