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Bite or Gameness? Small head/Big head

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Sleep, Apr 9, 2020.

  1. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Well this should clarify things up.....dog bite and a boxers punch are very similar....bigger heads or big hands.....harder bite or harder punch....I thinks its the dogmen preferences....as a spectator we like to see something go in an destroy the opponent meaning goes and finshes the job like a Mike Tyson....but a technical dog would be a Floyd Mayweather.....they both were winners...1 just has style points....Tyson would be a cowboys Hammond, chinaman, eli dog perhaps something gonna bite u down..no matter the head size he gonna finish u and 1 had agility and brains...Mayweather would be a jeep/redboy dog....not to say they dont have mouth but for the most part are known for gameness...the will to keep going and going no matter if losing or not the dog still wants it....This dog gonna touch u here and there just doin enough and staying out of trouble....so disadvantage small heads I believe not....its up to the dogmen....either big head or small head...finisher or real finesse....hard biter or lil mouth at all....if the gamesness in the dog and u put the time in and right food/vitamins/etc.......You'll show up and show out
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Not an absolute, maybe not even fifty-fifty.

    If you show up with gameness as your calling card you will show up and more than likely be shown out.

    It takes so much more.

    S
     
  3. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Absolutely .It take a well rounded dog but each man have to decide his own recipe .You can't read that in a book or a website.
     
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  4. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Slim know this already .In just agreeing what he said.
     
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  5. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    You right it takes more in the pit...i know that...got to be schools....let me emphasis this schooled right...not bullshit dogs u know u gonna beat...something thats gonna push your dog to limits...in different areas with different type caliber dogs
     
  6. IcyAce123

    IcyAce123 Pup

    Hello everybody! Some dogs seriously bite, some of them bite playfully. When my dog Boss plays with my children he bites them playfully and they have never complained that his bites are painful. But when I was almost robbed nearby my own house, my Boss attacked the robber. He literally grabbed his ass with his teeth. Thankfully, everything ended well, I wasn’t robbed, the robber was caught on the neighbor’s CCTV and reported to the police, and there were no charges against my dog for biting a human. The issue is that my dog “taught” my dad’s horse to bite. When we go to my dad’s farm we noticed that after that incident with a robber our Boss teaches a horse how to bite and now dad’s horse started to bite random people. No one complained but it’s weird from both sides. We tried to search for some info about horse bitting on petsoid , but I would like to also ask here if someone has both dogs and horses. Have you noticed anything like that? What did you do?
     
  7. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    …a special canine equine duo. both should be bred to similarly qualified mates in order to retain these rare traits of man fighting without hesitation.

    with some training and control, i can see huge potential in horses as estate guardians and counter-rustlers.
     
  8. che

    che Top Dog

    First i want to say, i like this dogs because off their gameness, because an dog with a lot off gameness is mostly ready to leave his soul and body there when need. Most off the dogs who never needed show their heart just because they are never punched , can get easyly frustrated in a such situation, when they are not get used to smashing or when they cant finish the other the way they used to do.

    Offcourse there are some dogs who had great bite and showed their heart , showed where they are bred for.

    I like the type dog with gameness who can win and got the things he need to win. Gameness strengt stamania and a good hold
    Maybe not in details but this combination can
    Make me happy
     
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  9. reddirt redneck

    reddirt redneck Big Dog

    Can’t really compare it to boxing, punching power is transferred from the feet up. I have known HWs and light weight boxers. Trained from 8-60 yr olds. Pro and ammy, punching can be taught and hand size really doesn’t matter seeing as there’s a specific spot used to hit with. Bite comes from genetics, head size only equates more area in the hold no more power. Tyson had power but was taught how to blast. Cus educated him well. FMJ was actually a puncher before a boxer. Remember, it’s all about hitting and not getting hit.
     
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  10. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Haha
    We always used to say
    ‘Those who bite last bite the hardest’
    Rough curs are just that...curs
     
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  11. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Also...
    A lot of the best bulldogs I’ve ever seen couldn’t even break the skin but holy fuck try and break them off when they are ‘excited’
    One of the hardest mouthed dogs I ever owned was a patterdale, he could literally tear the lungs out of a raccoon while crushing it’s ribs. I’ve had bulldogs kill many coons and they never bit like that.
    How many have seen a staghound kill something?? Talk about mouth!! They tear shit apart like a dinosaur while running 40mph. Skinny heads and long snouts but they can do their business and yes they are game dogs too.
    ‘Hard mouth’ depends on what you’re biting
    Those that really know gamedog conformation look at the dog in a different way..when I look at a dog I look at his hide to see how tough it is, I don’t look at his head and think how hard can he bite?
    Why??
    Cause he’s a bulldog. It doesn’t matter what he can dish out. The question is.. what can he take?
    He who bites last bites the hardest.
    You don’t bite hard when you’re winded, you don’t bite hard when you’re on the bottom, you don’t bite hard when a real bulldog is on your nose, you don’t bite hard unless your feet are on the ground after 2 hours,
    You don’t bite hard when you’re getting hammered into your corner.
    Gameness and conditioning win matches. Gamblers wannabes and fools look for ‘mouth’
    Bring your so called ‘hard mouthed’ killer ‘cause sooner rather than later he’s gonna find himself on the bottom with a bulldog in his throat who probably can’t even break his skin but you know what he can break??
    Your dogs will.
    And that my friends is the ‘game’
    He who bites last bites the hardest
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2021
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  12. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    I like what u had to say benthere....witness this 1st hand about a month ago.....hard biting cur looked damn great for the first hr....but a no mouth game gamedog...with great condition and no mouth with stood the punishment the cur dish out and den frustrated the hard biting cur and he stood in the corner looking lost
     
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  13. Bones1

    Bones1 Big Dog

    Ben , What do you look for when determining hide thickness in pups ?
     
  14. benthere

    benthere CH Dog Staff Member

    Good question
    I used to say I like my bulldogs made of rawhide and piano wire
    One of my biggest gripes about the ADBA pretty dog and cleavage contests is most judges had zero idea of what ‘type’ actually is.
     
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  15. stickler

    stickler Banned

    10x like
     
  16. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Any insight on how to determine hind thickness and what dogs throw thick skin
     
  17. che

    che Top Dog

    Dog can bite deep only if opponent give him oppurtunity if not it can takes a very long time.if a dog want to break and finish a dog he first need to break a concrite wall to get the spot he likes.
     
  18. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    I agree and disagree with that I don't believe my opponent controls my dogs bite force...some got it and some don't ...and most don't
     
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  19. che

    che Top Dog


    Sleep tell me pls the common styl by an hard biting dog? If he dont get the chance to use his
    Mouth the way he used to do he cant put the damage he want. Is same with finishers. Jimmy Boots and and Benny Bob has squashers their early opponents like bugs. This is the history yeah but also an good example. And there was the time they met each other, they went over 2 hours if i remember good, Benny Bob was the dominant one he did more damage when everyone thought he was the winning dog , he was the one who did lost in scratch. A hard bite is like a bokser s hard punch and must be delivered on target to do any good. Another good example is golden kings silver vs black
    Mup. Sometimes the hardest dogs to beat are dogs like bradock or other old goldie that never let hard biters bite anything but the air. Dogs like this maybe not win in short time but dogs like this beat dogs that have a long string of quick wins to their credit. Its proven in past in practising. When a breder tries too hard to get hard biters gameness is going to suffer. Yeah there is always a one special dog who s wel bred long winded gamedog that bites like hell but how many dogs like this one are exist ? There have been many times yes when a gamedog has been cut down by a dig off much lessen gameness. That one is not dead game or even not deep game. He is just winning all the way and he is game enough not to uit when things are going his way.but whats happend in history when a game dog with little abilities met a dog thats almost as game with a hell of a lot more ability. I think u know what s happend
     
  20. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    A truly "hard mouth " can literally break something down in a single hold. They are as rare as dg dog.
     

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