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Boudreaux's Greatest Dog

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by St. Death, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Boudraux Scrub!!!..
     

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  2. preme

    preme CH Dog

    that mofo not budging looks like ol fb want to push him over himself ..lol
     
  3. thall28

    thall28 Big Dog

    That must be the one where he lost.
     
  4. Icepick

    Icepick Banned

    I think that was Scrub taking the full ten count. But, considering how tight he was bred, is it any wonder? Supports my inbred theory.....
     
  5. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    I dont know icepick but brood stock and specialy inbred brood stok should be at LEAST game in order to be used as brood stock. we all know that inbred stok looses al kind of abileties yet going as far as acsepting them not being game but still able to produce is a chooice for all man to disid for them selfs..as a breeder i think that this is un acsepteble.. scrub quits for no aparend rezen he is unmarkt not iven realy hot. NOW judging from that old aintiend"" picture"" i dont only see a quiter but i see a real cur....
     
  6. Icepick

    Icepick Banned

    I have known of super inbred stuff that has been flat out cold, but produced when out crossed. Nothing I would have personally bred, but I do know of some. Some people will breed a cur, but not a cold dog, and some have been known to breed a cold dog, but not a cur. Write or wrong, thats their prerogative, but be honest about it.
     
  7. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Yes be hounest about it. i WOULD breed to a REAL cold dog if he was mine and if I bred him!!IF i would not have a replacemend dog..
    Unfortunatly lots of RANK curs are labeld as cold dogs!!. cold dogs are as rare as breeding a grch dog out of your own stock. and the oldtimers of the past claimed that a cold dog was as close to a deadgame dog as you could come without being game, thuse that makes sense..
     
  8. Naustroms

    Naustroms CH Dog

    Lol idk if how tight he's bred has anything todo with him not wanting to put one foot in front of the other but he's definitely just standing around taking pictures.
     
  9. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    and some people listed this dog as one of his greatest--kind of insulting isn't it?
     
  10. JamesT

    JamesT Top Dog

    I'll take it your talking to me as I'm the one who made the statement.In hind sight,Ive already admitted that he wasn't best
    and that it wasn't a very smart statement.However I don't think its insulting,yes the dog quit in 40,but he also won one 1:08 with don mayfield (witch i beleive was after he quit).Floyd must have saw something he liked because he bred the dog.And obviously it turned out to be one of the best decisions he ever made.Because those breeding's produced eli and boze, a dog that could could have easily whipped bullyson,and was the cornerstone of floyds breeding program.No the dog wasn't the greatest,but without him their would be no "eli" line of dogs,witch I beleive is the best line of dogs in history.Do I think floyd would be insulted??I don't know maybe I should ask him.If I insulted anyone else...well I really don't give a fuck.
     
  11. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Many things can be said good and bad , about people who make, for what it seems irasional disisions.
    I have heard breeders like hammonds say more then ones ""breeding is like a crap shoot"" you never ""realy"" know what you get.
    But we all know that boudraux dogs in ""general"" are not known for theye high % of gamenness,
    They are known as strong hard driving dogs, and ther for blessed with a better mouth then most famelies out there, i gues at the time FB was presented ore shared the words Earl Tudor ones said at poit side, when a man said to him and i quote ""The dog your betting on thussend look game to me, Earl said Im not betting on him being game im betting on him WINNING""

    Maybe FB had/has that in mind as wel considering SCRUB . who knows and his right to do so!!..
    When the dogs arived in europe back in the mid to late 70,s. the varius books arived along with them . In these books it said how and what to do in order for dogs to be able ore alouwd to be bred!!. these books where fallowed litterly bij the book because knolige at the time was not presend.

    Afther manny years of practising what was preatchst in these books. some people whent to the USA for the first time. and found out that the way of the books wassend practised and followed in the usa at all!!!.
    it was to stressfull and hard and to ecspensif to do so!!.
    it proved to be the most ""ideal way"" in selecting and testing dogs but very dificuld to practis.
    witch made the dogs overhere at one point in time the best ones out there. for the simple rezen that nearly ALL the famous famelies where brought together on a piece of land witch only took 4 hours to drive true!!.
    around 35 diferen kennels AL having there own dogs from varius bloodlines who in the USA would not very often meet up as they where from all over the USA.. Nearly all of them did the schooling and TESTING the george armitage way 2 ore 3 dogging a prospect to see IF he was show ore brood stok worthy!!. and if they didnt made it they where gone... you can ez understand how the quality was afther these times..

    when visiting the usa people quikly learned that many a wel bred bitch was NEVER lookt at ore male for that matter, to breed of and many a dog that quit afther a desend to good carreer was used to breed of, who still produced wel. dogs like snooty bullyson ecetera.
    but in europe people also realized, that there was not enoughf room to keep many dogs and that you could not take a gamble on breeding these dogs. so every dog had to be a good one. there was no room to use consesion dogs.
    and ore gamble on the out come..

    when you inbreed on dogs you dont only tryng to hold on to the good genes but the bad as well.
    if you inbreed on a dog that won 3 in a short period of time but quit in his fourth in the same time, then there is a above chanse this dog wil reproduce the same in there ofspring!!.and posible for generations!!
    now if you think they won 75% with that dog and thats the way of looking at it. then that is fine However if you going to use sutch a dog as a corner stone dog, then pretty big chanse your foundation is that most dogs you produce are going to quit IF they are brought to the nitty gritty!!!!.
    Plenty of breeders today that look more at the barn storming qualitys of the dogs today.
    and who whant to be able to lame game dogs in a hurry.
    But i would only use sutch a dog if he would have been the last of my own stuff and would do the eczackt oposit and look for the game ones.
    A nice aczample of that is the mother of GRCH Banjo and BB red. Betty jo who quit against a triple inbred Nelis Daughter in 1.24. http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=98816 Flakey(aka Joleen) was a product of those eurly day selection prosses discribed above!!. Needless to say thats how a corner stone dog should be like....... she was bred only ones to another famely dog called chester to produce a male called Choko who beat Danny burtons Mecanninc!!. Choko was the ONLY pup she ever produced.. this particulair famely never had more then +- 20 dogs walking on this earth YET produced more ch and grch and rom dog then many a consesion bred famely out there who,s nr where 4 6 8 times bigger in nrs!!.
    it gose to say how importend gamenness should be in your corner stone brood stok.
    I used this aczample as it is the ez way to do so and are ofcours familier to this famelie, But there are other famelies out there who have shown the same (not a lot tho...)... would i breed to a FB dog HELL YES. ch spike was a product where the hard Gamennes of the Alligator blood was crossed with that Boudraux dark side of of the force. and the click was there producing a 3/4 alligator 1/4 FB Eli bred dog that prooved to be the best producer europe ever had......
     
  12. Nash

    Nash Big Dog

    Splendit post there limey.
     
  13. waikato

    waikato Pup

    another great post limey
     
  14. anoldun

    anoldun Pup

    excellent post limey.....
     
  15. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    Good post Limey!
    That´s what I ment when I called somem people hypocrits!
    Over here there has been no room for speculation and gamble!
     
  16. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Thanks guys.Doginhold today ovehere there are PLENTY of hypocrits, that speculate. it seems that the mind atitue and culture and understanding of the breed back then was a hell of a lot better then today.
    mind you the so called pepsi cola generation dogman that has rize to the ocasion today, lost the conection with the oldtimers of the past afther the dangeres dog laws hit europe and the world over. with a couple of ecseptions rather then the rulle SOME young timers burry there ego and internet prime and go out and try to get in contact with the old retired ones who know and show them respect to get and hear what is importend to learn, however most of them dont and are considerd lost is a world of BS.
     
  17. doginhold

    doginhold Top Dog

    And far too many people breeding excuses instead of dogs! LOL!
    There have been times where a man was judged by his words and by his achievements today it seem a man is judged if he is bitching better than the others! LOL!
     
  18. TripleJ

    TripleJ CH Dog

    what no one understands is FB allmost has two very diff type strain. The skull stuff Well let me put it like thiss they are VERY WELL known for there gameness if they wernt game they would have never made much a name for them selfs, They are allmost redboyish you can get a hard one but mostly the goodones are very deep game dogs. then the other side the mavrick the deep midnightcowbow stuff VERY DEEP game and VERy ruff and hard good fast lane dogs. then you get the OTHER stuff the stuff that has his name on it wernt checked and bred the shit out of it for money. Now yes Im sure there is alot of currs, but a TRUE dog from those lines are as game as any and as good as any. FACT!!!
     
  19. young muscle

    young muscle Big Dog

    B.Smith sold me a double bred gr ch Shep gyp, she was three years when I got her from AZ she was full of grand pups off Badger, brought her in the house and she ran to the scratched it,I opened the door and she went outside side did her business and came back in the house, I called B.Smith &T.l and ask/told what she did and said never been inside, she let my two year old son play with the puppies as they were still on the tit, she was dog you didn't have to on the chain.
    Point is she was was but threw fire!
    B.Smith &T.l felt she was worth breeding and they were the game for
    Years, and sho nuff she was
     
  20. tubrunwva

    tubrunwva Big Dog

    Why do ppl continually make excuses and try to rationalize? PEOPLE BREED CUR AND COLD DOGS! Whether is was f.b., m.c., p.p., d.m., l.p. or WHOEVER there are curs and cold dogs behind them ALL! The breeder could have ''seen'' something, although idk wth that could of been if the dog never started, or stood the line, but still chose to breed the dog. Hell it may have been that he knew his name was so and so and he knew people would still buy from him.
     

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