Breeding 101

So many times I see people get on this board and ask, “how does this breeding look?” and “opinions on this breeding I just made” etc. There are also numerous posts regarding “what crosses best?” and “what’s the best bloodline?” “Is this breeding too tight?” And the list goes on and on. I hope that anyone who has ever asked one of these questions reads this.

First of all you have to ask yourself, “What’s the goal of this breeding?” If the answer is anything less than create dogs that compete and win at the highest level then you should not make the breeding! If you make a breeding based solely on: looks, mouth, air, ability, to preserve a “bloodline,” or even gameness, you should not make the breeding. If your brood stock has any of the above mentioned traits but does not have the ability to win, then don’t breed the dog. Why? Because our dogs were created to compete and win and anything less is a deviation from the breed standard. While some people may like certain “styles” or “traits” over others, the goal should be the same . . .to take home the blue ribbon!!!

If your “brood stock” has not shown the ability to WIN, then why breed? Why try to create more of what could not win in the first place? This is not to overlook the most valued trait we love about bulldogs, gameness. However, I have seen all to often people that make breedings with not a single win between the sire, dam, and grandparents (first 2 generations) or even worst, 3 or 4 generations only to claim that they were all “game.” What a load of bull. If they were just honest with themselves they’d admit that they would have been much better off breeding to ANY Champion then breeding to more winless dogs, regardless of bloodline.

Here is where many will want to jump in and say, “What about so-and-so, he or she was a cur/cold/untested dog and they still produced?!” We all have heard about the exceptions, but do you really want to base your time, money, and effort hoping to have the exception to the rule? Hoping to have yet another subpar dog out producing him or herself is a complete waste of time and resources 99% of the time, yet people will point to the 1% and use that as a reason to breed to something that not even the best dogman in the world could win with. When you really think about it, it’s completely STUPID!

So why is it so important to breed to winners? First of all you know breeding to a Gr. Ch. is not just breeding to the best dog on one person’s yard but he has proven him or herself to be the best over many competitors. He has accomplished the most important task of the breed, which is to compete and win over the competition. Secondly, history has shown us that most of the best producing dogs were first winners. That’s right, pick up an old book/magazine and see for yourself. Let’s take a look at the old SDJ’s R.O.M. list to drive this point home. The top 5 producing dogs on the R.O.M. list (regardless of what dog you really believe is #1) is: Ch. Jeep, Frisco, Gr. Ch. Mayday, Gr. Ch. Yellow and Gr. Ch. Buck. That means that 4 out of the 5 top producing males were not only winners but were titled dogs!

This is a good place to address another one of the BIGGEST myths in the dog game that says "inbred dogs produce better than outcrossed dogs." This is another load of BULL! Just look at the pedigrees of the above mentioned dogs

Ch. Jeep: a 50/50 cross at best. This is a dog that is a combination of a few different bloodlines, but we'll be nice and say 50/50 cross.

Frisco: Inbred, yes! Out of a father to daughter breeding but still 1/4 outcross via Bolio blood.

Gr. Ch. Mayday: A dog that was a 4-way cross between Redboy/Jocko/Bolio/Tombstone. Thats right, one of the greatest producers ever is not comprised of more than 25% of any one bloodline in only 2 damn generations!!!

Gr. Ch. Yellow: Another 50/50 cross!

Gr. Ch. Buck: A lot of controversy as to how he is really bred, but still at least a 50/50 combination.

What have we learned from this list? We learned that ALL of the top 5 producing dogs had at least 25% outcross and that most of them were at least 50% or more outcrossed!!! But what do these dogs all have in common? You guessed it, they're MOSTLY winners, coming down from mostly WINNERS! So what is more important, breeding to a bloodline or breeding to a GOOD dog? I believe history tells us that yes, there are exceptions, but the cream always rises to the top and if you want to produce winners, you better go breed to winning dogs!!!

 

I thought this would be a good thing to post again with us talking about inbreeding on the other thread. This is a good breeding rule of thumb to follow. I will see if I can make this a sticky thread.

 

accept that it is completely untrue. brood stock does not need the ability to perform they need the ability to produce. they should be game. time and time again it has been proven that performance and production are not related. you need to breed to performers who also have the ability to produce. if a game plug has the ability to consistently throw all around athletes then why would you not breed him over his gr ch brither who throws nothing but game plugs. the answer is you would not

 

I agree with you there but what you just said takes experience. I think what I posted is a good rule of thumb for the inexperienced breeder. Once you've gained experience then you know when you can colored outside the lines, so to speak. Like it says don't breed cause you think you have the exception to the rule.

 

I'd like to add, experienced breeder with their own experience with the line. Not just some hear say. Good post.

 

If you don't have that knowledge rite there. You shouldn't be breeding in the 1st place!

 

Good post.

 

GOOD READ!!!:cool:

 

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Same to you, my friend

 

A lot of people breed straight brood stock which is where the problems have come about. If your animals aren't good enough to bring to the confirmation ring don't breed them. Clip them and sell them off as "pet quality" and not as "show dogs". Just water down animals like that. Also don't lie to yourself. If an animal didn't make the cut don't make it "make the cut" just because how it is bred. A sub par animal is a sub par animal. Don't care how it's bred.

 

I couldn't of said it better myself! U never now what u have till u try it.

 

It seems like 90% of the people that show there dogs peds on here are garbage. If people only bred best to best we would not have all these dogs in the public.

 

good post very intresting , but let me ask this how did you get the experance ? through trial and error or are you just that good you woke up one morning and knew what you know !

 

Thanks for the post

 

"Clip them and sell them off as pet quality" this is a big reason why things are fucked up now. lots of "pet quality" make the pound or 6 pm news. why not just cull your own shit insted of pawing off garbage? a sub par dipshit is still a sub par dipshit.

 

Brockton you run your mouth as if you know me. If the dog is clipped hell it is culled. But you forget something "we're on a message board." The way you talk I would bet you haven't been around these dogs as long as me and your stock is not on par with mine in the least bit. You're a joke dude.

 

If the dog is clipped hell it is culled....no, no it is not

But you forget something "we're on a message board."...culling is not illegal

 

The animal will never add to the gene pool. So basically it's culled in my eyes. But you can cull however you like sir. I don't like to sell animals in the first place and I don't sell to the public at all. So I don't have problems like this happening.

 

First of all you have to ask yourself, “What’s the goal of this breeding?” If the answer is anything less than create dogs that compete and win at the highest level then you should not make the breeding! If you make a breeding based solely on: looks, mouth, air, ability, to preserve a “bloodline,” or even gameness, you should not make the breeding. If your brood stock has any of the above mentioned traits but does not have the ability to win, then don’t breed the dog. Why? Because our dogs were created to compete and win and anything less is a deviation from the breed standard. While some people may like certain “styles” or “traits” over others, the goal should be the same . . .to take home the blue ribbon!!!


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