Breeding to a steroid champ...????

Wondering how many on here would breed to say a champ,,,known he won his races threw the use of steroids or other such chemicals....????????????

 

Make sure your there for all the sticks, never send your female and let them handle the breeding.

 

Steroids are just one of the many things that unscrupulous trainers have done to unlevel the playing field and ruin the game. This is no different than people who use rubs and other dirty tricks. That is what happens when money takes over the game and cheating becomes the norm. If you have a lesser specimen that overcomes a better specimen because of steroids or rubs or any other method, then what have you got? of course many champs were made this way and most you aint going to know about. It should be all about the dogs and to get it back that way, you have to take the money out of it. You shouldn't breed to any dog that has been made by cheating and people that do should be exposed and banned. That is the way it is done in horse racing and the only way to find out who the best natural animal is. The difference is, horse racing is regulated and each state has a board with hearings and piss tests that expose the cheaters.

 

I would agree with this person.
Steroids will bring out more in a dog but the will not pass in the genes.
And if someone is more interested in tittles & money than improving on & maintain a standard that's there choice.
To each there own & good luck in what ever you choose. But as dwd58 stated, I too know many of dogs that have won because of either rubs or steroids and these dogs were garbage without them.
They produced trash even after winning tittles. And what so crazy is the same people wonder why the dog is producing like dogs.
Like be-gats like. That's why.

I feel strongly that these are just a few of the many reasons people have to cull harder with tittle dogs from keeps than those that are OTC. A good condition & handler can make a dog better than what he actually is & again not every body will use the same keeps. Change the keep ,loose the tittle.


Be it ego trips or Pretty pedigrees, some have sacrificed having a dog natural that will pass on every trait to breeding dogs drugged up & not producing much to talk about.
If people stuck more to accepting the dog natural ,maybe others will have to cull less.
You'll always know more about what you have natural.
And you & those that breed those dogs will have to cull less than those that chooses to breed to doped up & rubbed down dogs.
A good dog natural & that wins OTC will always impress me more than a dog that can't win unless in a keep & on dope.
I know what the OTC has to bring to the table when it gets bred & not wonder about the other.

 

...as..i said in other steroid thread the only thing that would suffer is the quality of these dogs by breeding to such dog's...??????

 

....lets say a champ that has won threw the use of steroids...no matter the distance the race...??????

 

Just me , but I wouldn't breed to him.
Some one just starting a family may have great dogs by breeding to him.
Others that have been around may produce better dogs.
But I have spent to much of my life, dam near 1/2 your life cleaning up other folks wet dreams, I just tend to think just a little harder about it.
And for me to question the quality is asking a lot. As long as that same dog can win 3 without then we can talk. But if he can't then he isn't even a conversation piece.
I rather breed to a good natural looser that showed potential. Than a Ch on dope. I @ least know what the looser is lacking in & how to fix it.
Just my opinion.

 

Just me but I don't care about tittles are papers. I just like a good dog.

 

Well ziggy ya must be very-very-old...if ya spend half your/my life....lol..lol...i for one would not be/ never did/never-will...breed to such dogs...just want to see would anybody...as one other said yes on other thread....ps:.not all losers can be fixed.......

 

this thread is so funny .

 

...well ...old-g....would you breed off a ch-dog...known he was conditioned useing steroids,,would it make a difference to you...........?????..straight q....

 

I've never yet seen a race where steroid's were the determining factor.
I would breed to a dog shaped on steroids, the reason would be his gameness/quality.

 

Best to best is the way to go and how do we determine best? That's right, wins. I don't care how the dog was conditioned if he is a proven winner he is worth a shot at breeding.

 

blue no 1 would know how many winners in a ped were conditioned either way . so from your thinking and the ones that don't know any better we wouldn't have to many dogs to breed . blueboy said it best . it won't make you win .

 

..it's a hypotetical::q'??ing ...basicly with some they don't care ..if the dog could of won the races with-out the influence of steroids...they would go a-head and breed to it...and why would'nt we have many dog's to breed to.........????...how ya going to know at a race,, a dog has being conditioned useing steroids,,neither side will tell ya,unless ya know em well...etc/etc...i suppose then it's how much influence you think the steroids played/or/not in the win's............as said it's jus a q...........

 

What if they won over other juiced animals. And does steroids give super powers to dogs? I thought those were used mainly to help recovery the dog, to train more and get at his peak faster and better.

Does supplementing dogs count as a "cheat" too, because nutrition is as important as anything.

If you want to see how genetics works for breeding purposes let a dog in the chain for 6 month with standard food and then no keep, supplements,juice or anything will give dogs any advantage... they'll race on equally stances.

And after saying this, im against all kind of steroids, supplementing is ok in my book.

 

So....tdk ...would you breed to a ch...that has won each-time being con; on steroids....all you know about him is he won as was conditioned as said.....not knowing anything about pre-testing off him...jus a hypo q..(so nobody has to get in a twist)..let's say ya have a small window of time to use him or not...

 

Well nutritional supp's....not the same as anobolic steroids....