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Breeding to a steroid champ...????

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by BLUE8BULL, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. the.peon

    the.peon Top Dog

    Good post, Slim.
     
  2. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    in its performance...don't what type he used but it was in the 80's..different today..i'd say....he did'nt notice any difference neither...
     
  3. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    It's not really something you can gauge regarding matching dogs, they're not going up against a stopwatch like an athlete. Maybe the dog didn't appear to perform any better because it had a stiffer opponent? Who knows??
     
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It is something you can most definitely gage in doing dogs. When they are done correctly it is a heck of a thing to be dealt with from the opposing side.


    The difficulty in hitting the mark with dogs is there is a hard and fast, on the dime weight that has to be hit. No other human sport that has weights that have to be hit on the night of the competition. So people have a wider margin for error than their canine counterparts. Steroids allow a dog to recover at an exceptional rate, thus work at an exceptional pace for an exceptional time and do it again and again. The kicker is the body must be fueled. When one does that much work the body must be fueled and with that will come weight gain. With that weight gain that "show weight" is hard to hit. Hitting weight is where steroids prove difficult for the overwhelming majority. Basically when using the steroids the feed pan is hard to adjust to the work load and still maintain a weight down to the ounces. If either is out of whack, feed pan not up to the work load, the work load not equal to the feed pan, and the tell tale signs show. They simply 'blow hot' early. Come off them at the wrong time and the male would rather hump the other male than anything else.


    So it is actually easier to gage them in a canine than in a human because the overwhelming amount of the time they are used incorrectly.


    It is actually easier to gge in dogs because most times it is the n




     
  5. Dam1985

    Dam1985 Banned

    So basically you're agreeing with me that steroids have a massive benefit in performance if used correctly on dogs.
     
  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    They can benefit but not massively because the things required of a bulldog cross all lines of athleticism.


    A sprinter will take one kind of steroid and then train a certain way. A long distance runner will take one kind and then train a certain way. The long distance biker the same. The power lifter. The body builder. The baseball player. The football player, depending on position.


    The bulldog on show night has to be all of these at one point or another. You can't fill the dog up with enough kinds of steroids to accomplish all of these in a 'massive' way. There is no 'one does it all' one that will make the bulldog have massive benefit.


    My last post was cut off....it should have finished....it is actually easier to gage in the dogs because the majority of the time it is the negatives that show up. The people that do not know how to use them stick out like a sore thumb. The ones that do it correctly and see the positive results, there is not a ton of difference because the bulldog has to be damn near great at all the athletic endeavors he will experience. The dogs do not have and athletic specialty.


    So if I were a competitor in search of competition I would pursue anyone who was known to be users of the juice. Basic math says I have a distinct advantage from the 'get go'. One, maybe 2 out of 10 will be on point. Any guy that competes at anything and wins 80% of the time has to be happy with that clip. S
     
  7. SDABPT

    SDABPT Pup

    How do you think Ricky Jones won with are the curs off Crenshaws yard. I know how because I have his keep. In th end it's about gambling people. Making money, either by beating your opponent and taking his $ or peddling pups to people off reports in a stupid magazine
     
  8. shaman

    shaman Big Dog

    Tridenson
    EPO
    Bleeder Breether
    DADA250

    Go do you research.. so many "great kennels" have been using these things for a long number of years.. Combine these with conventional steroids and the results speak to themselves. Every wonder how certain kennels win a greater number than others and yet when the sell or farm our these great dogs the success rate isnt as high ? Or why certain kennels focus on breeding monsters that literally take off and take chunks of flesh?

    The answers are just there when you really start looking.
     
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  9. CrazyHorse

    CrazyHorse Big Dog

    The Rebel never used steroids!
     
  10. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    he had culls not curs that's a big difference.
     
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  11. SOULDOG

    SOULDOG TEMPLE OF THE DOGS

    No its not. Sometimes its just about having good dogs that will beat the brakes off people you just described. Not everyone cares about making money off dogs or selling dogs. For some the satisfaction comes from putting two dogs together and getting some pups that will do just that. :eek:MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLLIDAYS :D
     
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  12. only way i'd consider it is if he already had produced good dogs . if not then i wouldn't even think about it. drugs don't translate/transfer to good genetics . again not rocket science imho
     
  13. I will. The steroids don't make the dog period. Please give a cur some steroids and see how it works out. Conditioning is just what the steroids help with and maybe a little roid rage. Seriously if using steroids in an animal involved in hunting is cheating then the rule of getting your dog in the best shape possible is dead. GNC supplements same thing. Performance enhancing products same thing. Do your animals right give them the best you are capable of and comfortable with.
     
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  14. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    Some of these comments are ridiculous lol so guess you guys shouldn't breed to that Champ that was conditioned on Vertex, Go Dog, RF-1, SuperFuel etc neither.
     
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  15. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    How would any one know who uses steroids in a dogs keep and does using steroids make a big difference , , has dogs conditioned on steroids not being beaten by dogs not shaped using steroids ,,?
     
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  16. 80BOWTIE

    80BOWTIE Big Dog

    I just like seeing the playing field level. To me steroids have the ability to give an advantage against a dog brought in natural. Can it make a cur game? I doubt it.
     
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  17. If you have confidence in your dog and keep it doesn't matter what the other guys do.If you are looking for excuses you worry about what next guy is doing. In what galaxy is playing field even when it comes to conditioning and ability? Not this one. Are all NFL players equal? Are all as fast or strong? Some work all off season some don't. Some have better conditioning than others does that mean they are not Pro's? Last but not least just because you use steroids doesn't automatically mean advantage. Sometimes it's a disadvantage.
     
  18. 80BOWTIE

    80BOWTIE Big Dog

    Can you please explain to me why steroids are banned in every sport I can think of besides illegal ones?
     
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  19. I can't explain why steroids are banned in legal sports, maybe regulation, long term affects of steroid use, in humans. You want a level playing field and that's cool. My point is it doesn't matter. Steroids are supposed to enhance what's already there. It's not going to turn an average biter into Jaws or a slow scratcher into flash.There are plenty of dogs that have won with and without juice. Both are worthy of being bred in my eyes equally. Racehorses,greyhounds have juiced at sometime or another.
     
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  20. che

    che Top Dog

    This is realy fucking funny treat.... its not a secret . At top level competition 99% procent off the whole dogmans use steroids on their dog . There is nothing wrong with it. Just trust me if your dog is bad, steroid Will not make him good. You dont put a brave heart, mouth, gameness, agility in to your dog just by using steroid. Dog have it or not. If i like the dog. I Will breed to a any dog whic was on steroid or not. Champion, gr ch, 1w, or 1lg it doesnt matter.
     

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