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Butcher Boys Black Nailus (Pedigree)

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by Vicki, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

    It's a question of what you want.
    I've never seen one of his dogs working, but I've heard that professional hunters don't like his dogs, because they don't work economic enough.
     
  2. snakewidomski

    snakewidomski Big Dog

    I asked about it in an English hunting-forum. They told me that BN was bred to some Patts, but the blood is not running till today.
     
  3. PITS+PATTS

    PITS+PATTS Big Dog

    I have three 'The Pit Bull Association Game Dog Registry' pedigree paper's run by Joe Graham,where Black Nailus was the sire.Nailus's owners name is clearly stated.Its no big secret as a guy was selling poster size pedigrees at a Joe Graham show with Nailus and his owners name on them.My friend had three pups sired by Black Nailus from three diferent bitch's.The bitchs were-Condons"Sugar Babe", Bronson's "Lizzy, and Boylett"Old China.I have no doubt he was used in a breeding program of Patterdale terriers.The first few cross's would have been discarded due to being to large,then when the right size was attained these dogs were the start of the famous line we know today.
     
  4. preme

    preme CH Dog

    very informative thread thanks..
     
  5. johnny dark

    johnny dark Big Dog

    the owners off black nailus and mr foxs elmo his grandson were friends and made both dogs up to be chs by false reports and its well known in the dog circle at that time, both elmo and nailus were decent dogs but were never true chs
     
  6. johnny dark

    johnny dark Big Dog

    its was the same with huds son tonto, he was put as a 2xw but again no one new his competition and believe me the isle where they from is small and everyone at that time new everyone..stokey boys and mr fox won a few matches but false reports were sent by both regular as they were in the biz off makin money first and dogs 2nd..
     
  7. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    What we know is that Nailus was a ""good"" dog. nothing wrong with him. He was however to my nolige show in the sec division. Against actif dogman at the time. But not the top and fast lane boys of the day.
    he would have ez be able to compeat in the fastlane. witch is the rezen he blew right tru his uponends. in short order
    one of his schoolings was into a Son of Nelis Rom and Heathers Panama called Ben
    . Ben was a big 55lbs dogs and had a freak mouth he hurt Nailus good but he never complained. It took 3 man to get Ben of.
    who was so pissed of that he refused to leave the room!! and on his way out he took a hold on the door frame!! to stay in there.
    Al the Nelis x Panama dogs where roughf curs with superior mouths with the ecseption of Ben. Ben,s brother when bred to a ch willy burger(son of Tonka rom) x janssen Susy bitch(litermate to Nelis rom)
    produced a ace bitch called Giand Kennels ch Ukkie.
    and she whent on to produce a couple of good ones including ch King.
     
  8. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    A champion that never seen more than 20 minutes? hmmmmmm sounds fishy to me :rolleyes: what did he go into Labradoodles? :D it was mentiond in this thread he was a game plug but how can anyone say he was game if he only saw 20 minutes, most rank ass curs will do 20. ;)
     
  9. Sampson1

    Sampson1 CH Dog

    LOL Chinaman's longest was 38 minutes does that mean he isnt a Ch?
     
  10. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    A champ yes a gamedog no.
     
  11. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Plus chinamans foes wern't questionable.
     
  12. Sampson1

    Sampson1 CH Dog

    true. a few of his victims were supposed to kill him...lol
     
  13. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    That would be my other question, did these dogs quit to him, were picked up or were they merked?:dogtongue:
    But I still would never call a dog that didn't see over 20 minutes a gamedog. A destroyer yes...;)
     
  14. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    Like i said he was a good one just shown in the sec division. however i would not hesitate to breed to him today ..
     
  15. Sampson1

    Sampson1 CH Dog

    Sec division? is that like B class dogs or something?
     
  16. Limey kennels

    Limey kennels CH Dog

    not nesersarely B class , but not into the fast lane names of the day(people whize). The uponends where good enoughf to come tru hunting selection and to put out in the field to chase the rabits. therefor you can NEVER question the dogs performance as he made no mistakes and did what he had to do.... another one and as far as i know the most bad aczample is Danns BJ. he was a very good dog but shown and ownd bij a husler. one of the rabbits he chased douwn died of a harth atack in 5 min!!...............
     
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  17. deadgam33

    deadgam33 CH Dog

    these where good dogs dont matter how fuckin game he was he got the job done..imo
     
  18. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    BJ also beat the respected dogs rusty a 1 x winner who also lost to baxter in a long one (if my memory is working right) , BJ gave up a lot of weight (6lb) and still won in a little over 40 minutes.
    it is not his fault he faced a dog that died on himearly.
    Ch BJ also defeated i am sure you will remember Limey kennels hector (littermate to smuggler/dutch/gnasher etc) by nelis x tug in about an hour and a half.BJ was a good dog and very game by all accounts,it is unfortunate one of his wins was so controversial as it takes something away from a good dog.
     
  19. johnny dark

    johnny dark Big Dog

    anyone still got ch bj blood heavy in ur parts sunbeam,
    i know the lees shadow rom dog carried alot of this but curious did any off bjs offspring produce
     
  20. johnny dark

    johnny dark Big Dog

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