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Ch dynomite true ped ?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by SDOD, Sep 17, 2016.

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  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It was said down here if Caballo could drive and count money he would have been a solo act. He was that good.

    He had an odd life early on as he was babied in school and thrown to the wolves on the show nights. Never once let him get in trouble as a young dog and then at the show he had incredible obstacles placed n front of him.

    Great dog.

    S
     
    slim12, Oct 23, 2016
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  2. niko

    niko CH Dog

    Has Caballo produced well Slim?
     
    niko, Oct 23, 2016
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  3. promoe

    promoe Top Dog

    There is one out back off of RustyXGloria that could pass for Dyno's twin.
     
    promoe, Oct 23, 2016
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  4. preme

    preme CH Dog

    he passed to early... didn't get many off him
     
    preme, Oct 23, 2016
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I will say yes. There were limited breedings down here and some of his offspring went to places that were not doing dogs. The guy that owned him was selling pups off him for $75-$100. Those were never heard from. The ones that stayed at the Big Man's house had a high percentage of working out. When bred to some of the dogs down out of Pee Dee Kennels red boy type dogs Caballo threw straight Red Boy dogs. And like it was said before, his off spring, as well as Caballo could just about breathe underwater.

    Not sure if that is an answer. The few that stayed close, yes, but a number of them were never heard from or sold into some not so favorable places. The guys up north can provide a lot more information on his production record.

    S
     
    slim12, Oct 23, 2016
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  6. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    Finch says he did the breeding to produce Dynomite, interesting though he had a son that would resemble Rusty to the T, I think his name was Primo or something like that and he swore that dog pedigree was right. TG said it was all good until Finch wouldn't pay up and that Finch got mad bc TG banged his wife or soon to be wife at the time. So I mean believe both or believe neither but it was odd that it waited until 2013 to surface and that's around when somebody got into an shouting match with Finch and said that Finch was still bitter all these years later that TG was banging his wife while he scooped dog shit and got a dog tied in the ass.. Then comes out well Dynomite is off of Rusty.
     
    Rock n Rye, Oct 25, 2016
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  7. Kostas81

    Kostas81 Big Dog

    The funny thing with all these, is that Finch's Primo, who is double-Frisco bred like Dynomite, is identical to Dynomite! Go figure!
    Speaking of red noses, traits etc. Abernathy's Molly, Chinaman's dam, is 37,5% Carver's One Eye, a red nose bitch. She is in her pedigree on both sides, so you could say Molly is linebred to a red nose bitch. Lee Ling, Dynomite's grandam, is more Tombstone than Bolio. Tombstone as we all know, is a rednose hound too! As far as traits go, I am not in the opinion that a specific trait is a trademark of a specific line. Yes, I agree that it resembles some traits of other hounds or precentages of a line, but none trait is "copyrighted". Even a Redboy hound can have mouth! ;)
    Put all that, with what Rock n Rye said...
     
    Kostas81, Oct 25, 2016
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  8. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    Sadly a lot of times people forget that Frisco is actually a heavy bred Bolio dog and many know that it don't take much of certain dogs for them to have an influence. Now certainly TG has had plenty other dogs on that yard over the years but without proof it's hard to say for sure what is what. Don't matter one way or the other if you're happy with what you are getting
     
    Rock n Rye, Oct 25, 2016
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  9. niko

    niko CH Dog

    KIMG0055.jpg Thanks for the response Slim and Preme...I had a female thats Dyno x sassy girl that was a good one
     
    niko, Oct 25, 2016
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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The fact they then end up looking a lot a like is more icing on the cake for me rather than solid information to make me think. I live in the heart f Garner country. It has been said you could step out your door and throw a rock and odds are you hit a Garner dog. So we have seen a bunch of them, straight from the source as well as one breeding removed.

    The first think we noticed was the breathing. These dogs had natural air we had not seen in a lot of the doubled Frisco dogs. After that we started to get a lot of offensively minded head dogs. The Rusty dog got on the face like a Red Boy dog but was doing work from those heavy Eli dogs. Then the percentages of Dynomite seemed much higher. After all that the color and shape started to play a role.

    But like I said before it is great internet conversation. My opinion and a dollar will not even buy a soft drink.

    S
     
    slim12, Oct 25, 2016
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  11. Rock n Rye

    Rock n Rye CH Dog

    I disagree I definitely could get a soft drink with your dollar lol. I definitely hear what you're saying and observing many of them I can almost say in a world full of doubt I would bet on your side being right but without proof I just won't demean a man's character. TG certainly wouldn't be the first breeder to lie a few pedigrees. My only issue is people have been debating this since Frisco was alive, so why wouldn't someone take one of their offspring off Frisco and take one of the offspring off Rusty and DNA test them? This all could of been settled 15 years ago but people rather play with variables than sleep with facts.
     
    Rock n Rye, Oct 26, 2016
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  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    If back then I had Frisco dogs and Rusty dogs and if I really cared, there is a lot that could be proved and disproved.

    I agree it is more important for some to keep the internet chatter going rather than actually having reliable facts.

    Mine is nothing more than an opinion. Means nothing. Amounts to nothing. And I can see where even posting or re-posting it can be seen as disrespect to TG. He says it is bred a certain way and that should be the end of it but it always comes up.

    The Ch. Caballo male made me think of Rusty a lot more than Frisco. He could breathe underwater and it would have been impossible to over work him. He would simply would not get tired. He was offensively minded and stayed in the face. He had mouth, maybe not as much as Rusty, but certainly not like the doubled up Frisco dogs. The heavy mouthed double Frisco dogs would go to the head but it was defensive, or just to get to another spot. Caballo, like Rusty, like the Cottingham dogs would flat mess a melon up.

    But like I said, and agree with you, no actual facts are available. It is sort of the grease that keeps the gears moving in bulldog cyberspace.,

    S
     
    slim12, Oct 26, 2016
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  13. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    The Bolo dog's sire was there and owned by TG. Rusty was there but owned and bred by someone else. That is pretty much where the ball gets rolling.

    And as I said in the other post it does not really matter. I saw Caballo and if I was willing to kick out the cash for a Dynomite puppy, and if I could get one like Caballo, I would not care if people claimed he was off a Collie. I'd stand on top of him and go get another and call him Lassie just to add fuel to the fire. LOL

    Regardless of how he is bred if I were going to buy one off bulldog hill it would be off the Dyno train. Collie (Rusty) or no Collie. LOL

    S
     
    slim12, Oct 26, 2016
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  14. T.P.C.

    T.P.C. Big Dog

    I bred Straight to Cowboy 2 bitches
     
    T.P.C., Apr 9, 2021
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  15. Doug Brown

    Doug Brown Pup

    Me myself always thought frisco himself was cottingham sired just look at what he consistantly throws when bred to medlin outlaw dogs and various redboy strains only chinaman came into him qas theu his mother chinagirl...so to this day Tom still uses that redboy heavy
     
    Doug Brown, May 22, 2021
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  16. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    We crossed Patrick and Mims dogs for the longest.

    <a href="http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=109400">O.I.A.K'S EARLY</a>

    <a href="http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=116588">KPK & DTA LITTER</a>

    We got a lot of good dogs from breedings like these. The Bolio/Red Boy cross works well.

    We had dogs right off Frisco many years ago and I always felt like he was toting more Bolio traits than that of Chinaman. We had hard mouth dogs, mostly smart but seldom seen all out destruction like Chinaman. When those dogs were crossed back to the Mims dogs the percentages were pretty high so I leaned toward Frisco being as advertised.

    Seeing a lot of Red Boy from a lot of strains when CH Caballo (off Dynamite) I saw Red Boy, pretty much up one side and down the other.

    At the time of the Dynamite breeding we had moved away from the Frisco dogs, especially heavy Frisco dogs because (for us and the ones in our area with no offense/dissrespect to anyone) we were seeing a lot of walk away dogs. Look unbeatable and then walk away. When Caballo came along there was an uptrend in how long the "Frisco" dogs would stay.

    But as I said before it has not really mattered for a lot of years. Pure conjecture. Pure internet fodder. But pure enjoyable conversation the same. LOL

    S
     
    slim12, May 23, 2021
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