Clouse Dogs

I put together this site to honor Bert Clouse.
Hope the students of the breed out there will enjoy it.

www.freewebs.com/clousedogs

Mallard

 

that's a really nice info.thanks

 

great site and I mustr agree on this being overlooked. For thr ones who do know , these are quality @ its best.

 

Thanks.

Made a few others:
www.freewebs.com/butcherboy
www.freewebs.com/dogletters

Working on an OFRN site.
Mallard

 

cool. mr mallard, i stumbled upon your site doing my own OFRN research outside of this forum and I just joined the forum and found this again. Just lets me know as a student, im on the right track as far as consuming as much knowledge as I can get.

 

Keep it comin Mr. Mallard ! ! ! Done read it all and now wantin' more! Feed meeeee Mr. Mallard ! ! !

 

I have been working on an OFRN site for over a year now.
It will be called, "Hemphill Dogs".
I'll launch it within a month or so.

Here's a tast of what it will have:
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']www.freewebs.com/hemphilldogs/killenscid.htm[/FONT]

Stay tuned!

Mallard

 

Thank You Very good Info.

 

Very well done, lots of stuff I hadn't read before. You can really tell everyone thought a lot of him.

 

So you think you caught some one in a lie?
So you think you are the historian hey Page?
Ch. Butcher Boy was matched 4 times NOT three!
Last one was in 1960 and it went to a draw!
It is all in the McNulty magazine.

You want statements backed up with facts, there you go.
BTW I notice you didn't have a comment on the Wilder letter or Hemphill ad.
You met Clouse one time and now you think you are an expert.
You have never been to his yard. You never saw him near the [].
Just like when you tried to make claims about Killian Cid 2xw. rotfl!
Hey Herb, you are as fake as $3. bill. :lol:

 

FOR SOMEONE WHOS ALWAYS GOING ON ABOUT DRY SNITCHING PEOPLES REAl names , youve just done thaT IN YOUR POST, AND WHO SAYS EVERYTHING IN THE MAGAZINES ARE TRUE , YOU KNOW THAT HALF THE TIME THE GUYS RUNING THE MAGS WOULD LOOK OUT FOR THERE OWN , SO WHETHER BB HAD 3 OR 4 , ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT REALLY MATTERS , AND IF THIS GUY THINKS HES CAUGHT SOMEONE IN A LIE THEN LETS GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT , BUT DRY SNITCHING IS WAY OUT OF LINE WHEN DONE ON PURPOSE LIKE YOU AND YOUR ALTER EGOS KNIGHT AND IM SEEM TO ALWAYS DOWHEN YOU WANT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM CASTING ANY DOUBT OVER YOURSELVES OR THE DOGS YOU REPRESENT .

 

For those who don’t know what this is about, on another website, I.M. stated that Clouse’s Ch. Butcher Boy was matched in the 60’s. Knowing that his statement was incorrect, I scanned a page from a Your Friend and Mine issue, where Bert Clouse wrote an article about his Butcher Boy dog and posted Bert’s article for everyone to see. The article Mr. Clouse published stated that his Butcher Boy dog was a four time winner and that his matches were from the mid to late 50’s. This of course was contrary to I.M’s statement about Butcher Boy’s matches taking place in the 60’s.

Since he was banned from the forum where I posted the truth (as he has been from most other message boards), he responded on this forum. I check in about once every few months here and just happened to see what IM wrote. I responded via a PM but I don’t think it would hurt to share what I wrote here:

So you think you caught some one in a lie?
**I don’t think you intentionally lied, I think just you gave wrong information before confirming your facts. You often get your facts wrong. You said Butcher Boy’s matches were in the 60’s. That was incorrect. Butcher Boy’s matches spanned from the mid to late 50’s.

So you think you are the historian hey Page?
**I don’t consider myself a historian but based on some research I have done, others seem to think of me that way. I’m nothing special. Just a pea in a pod.

Ch. Butcher Boy was matched 4 times NOT three!
**I know that. How do I know that? I published the article Bert Clouse wrote, who said Butcher Boy won four. If you remember my Clouse website, I published detailed accounts on each of Butcher Boy’s four matches, so of course I know he won four. I never said Butcher Boy won three. I always said he won four. You believing that I said three is simply another one of your mental lapses. I don’t know why you do not retain information very well. Other’s think it’s amusing but I actually feel sorry for you because you often expose your lack of knowledge.

Last one was in 1960 and it went to a draw!
It is all in the McNulty magazine.
**It’s Mc Nolty. BB’s fourth and last match was in Nov 59, where he killed Ferris’ Spike.
I’ve got all the Mc Nolty mags (30/30 and The American “pit” Bull Terrier Magazines). You are wrong again (as usual).

You want statements backed up with facts, there you go.
**I back everything up with authentic documents. You don’t back anything up. You go by memory and your memory fails you. I provided the document published by Bert himself.
Let’s see you back up where BB had a draw in the 1960. You can’t. Why? Because there never was a draw in 1960 but your stubborn pride keeps you from admitting it.

BTW I notice you didn't have a comment on the Wilder letter or Hemphill ad.
**Why did I need to comment on the Wilder Letter or Hemphill Ad? I simply noted where you made another one of your mistakes (BB’s matches). Sometimes you get it right. Sometimes you get it wrong. When you get it wrong, I will provide accurate information so that those needing correct information will have it. Nothing more, nothing less.

You met Clouse one time and now you think you are an expert.
**No. I don’t think I’m an expert. I just know the truth. Just so you know, I’m a pretty humble guy. If you prove me wrong, I will freely admit it and reverse whatever statement I made. I have never had to reverse any statements because I get my facts straight.

You have never been to his yard. You never saw him near the [].
**What does that have to do with the price of beans? That doesn’t change the match record of one his dogs. Stay focused Boo-Boo!. I’m waiting for your proof about Butcher Boy’s draw in 1960. You will never forward any proof because there is none. By the way, according to Bert’s wife, daughter and protégé, you were never anywhere near Bert Clouse. Can you prove that you knew him? Of course not.

Just like when you tried to make claims about Killian Cid 2xw. rotfl!
**Cid was a 2 x winner, just not under DK. As soon as the person who ended up with him passes away, I’ll spill the beans and publish the document I have which proves Cid won 2, who owned him and what Cid’s name was after he was stolen.

Hey Herb, you are as fake as $3. bill.
**You have yet to prove me fake; whereas, you do a good job hurting your own credibility every time you open your pie hole. By the way, you are as fake as a pedigree with triple Duster dogs.

Now, for those who have an interest in accurate history, the following are three articles (two of these were written by Bert Clouse), concerning Clouse’s Butcher Boy.

The first is an account of Butcher Boy’s fourth and last match (1959), where it is clearly mentioned that not only did butch kill his opponent (not a draw) but that Mr. Clouse retired him after that match. No draw I.M.



The next is from another ’59 edition of Your Friend and mine, where after Butch was retired, Mr. Clouse stated that his dog was too crippled and it would be impossible to shape him again. This further demonstrates that per Mr. Clouse, Butch was never fought to a draw as after he killed the Spike dog in his fourth match, was retired. Also note that his Butcher Boy’s matches spanned from 1956 to 1959. Not in the 60’s as reported by IM.


Lastly, this article is from one of Mc Nolty’s magazines in 1963. Bert’s remarked that Butcher Boy was 9 years old at the time of the writing and living in Jake Wilder’s yard.
In this article, Mr. Clouse states that Butch is living the life of a stud dog with Jake.
I also have a letter from Jake Wilder, stating that Butcher Boy died on his yard. Note that Mr. Clouse notes Butch was a 4 time winner. No other matches after he was retired. No draw (sorry for the crappy quality).


So, this should dispel any notion about Butch having any matches in the 60’s. He was campaigned from 56 to 59. Butch’s last match was not a draw, he killed Ferris’ Spike. He was retired after his fourth match; therefore was never matched at a late time to a draw.

I.M,
Kindly present any historical information you have about Clouse’s Butcher Boy fighting to a draw.
Present any historical information you have, proving that you personally knew Bert Clouse (pictures together, letters addressed to you (no photo-shopping), phone records, etc.
Don’t tell us, show us.

Waiting

 

Trying to delete where I accidentally doubled the post.

 

Go read Southern Inferno's OFRN Billboard look how they dry snitch I.M.'s name over and over so before your tube toker know what you are talking about.
Hey idiot try reading them before bump your gums. Those where wrote by the people who own the dogs!

 

Hey Mike do you really think any board can stop from being access?
Time and time again you post I.M.'s first and last name.
Do you really think I haven't read the thread "Norrod Dogs"?
When I.M. responded to you by your real name as Mike Page aka Herb and Ed Hughes aka Mukster the user name was ban.
You cry babies can run your mouth but when some one hands it back to you, you piss and moan foul.
If you can do it, expect it back in return.

What beans? The fact you strut around pretending like you are an expert on Bert Clouse when you never knew him.
You met him once and that's it. You tried to do a site about Hemphill dogs and again you never met or ever talked to Hemphill.
You try to add credibility of who you are by reading letters and magazines and never living the life of the dog game.

Now Mike, How much would like to bet Ch. Butcher Boy fought to a draw and it was published?

BTW Don told you CID never seen a lick of action. :lol:
You don't have the balls to admit it.:p

 

BTW Page don't be ambiguous, what other boards? Nada. Nice try.

 

Now what did his wife know of what went on at Clyde's.
Remember Ch. Butcher Boy came from Clyde.
You were told to ask Adams.
Why not ask Clyde's wife?
BTW remember who told who her father was? I.M.!
Or did you forget?:eek:
Many were there and Bob C wasn't.
He wasn't even in dogs then. Protegee my ass.
Bob C. wasn't anymore then Michael Martin was. :lol:

Take the bet Page.
Just like all the clowns who thought they knew about Wilder dogs' and Hemphill dogs' colors.
You were also the person who tried to tell I.M. there was no Corvino or Hemphill in Clouse dogs.
:crap:

 

I.M,

Bert Clouse wrote those articles.
That information is his information.
Those are Mr. Clouse’s words, not mine.
If you wish to refute the words that Mr. Clouse wrote, than you are again demonstrating your level of stubbornness, as you are not accepting words from the man who owned and campaigned the dog.

You were caught giving bad information.

You said Butcher Boy was matched in the 60’s.
Per Mr. Clouse’s article, Butcher Boy was matched from 1956 to 1959.
Where is your retraction?

You said in Butcher Boy’s fourth match, that he fought to a draw.
I produced the report of his fourth match, which illustrates that he killed Ferris’ Spike.
Where is your retraction?

Doesn’t the value of your word mean anything to you?

Look, your argument is not with me; your argument is with Mr. Clouse as the facts are based on his words, not mine.
I don’t care if you accept Mr. Clouse’s words or not.
All I did was produce historical documents which revealed your information was wrong.
That doesn’t make me an expert. I’m simply the messenger who has access to the truth.

I didn’t have to challenge someone to a bet in order to produce the truth.
I voluntarily stepped up to back up my words. I produced the facts.
If you are telling the truth, show some character.
Openly back up your word.

Give a true hearted scratch by stopping the nonsense and kindly present any historical information you have about Clouse’s Butcher Boy fighting to a draw.

Present any historical information you have, proving that you personally knew Bert Clouse (pictures together, letters addressed to you (no photo-shopping), phone records, etc.

Now a clever I.M. rhyme;
Don’t sing it, bring it!

P.S.
No Hemphill or Corvino in Clouse dogs? That's funny. Anyone who read my Clouse site saw how I detailed each of the foundation Clouse dogs with 7 generation pedigrees (including the Corvino and Hemphill dogs).

 

gl

Get it straight. You hide on a password hidden forum and called I.M. a lair.
I'm not I.M. as many will soon find out.
I wrote a good response to you but I was timed out and it was lost.

I have $500 that says Ch. Butcher Boy fought to a draw and it was published.
I petted Ch. Butcher Boy when I was a young man.
I will go through the Library I help start and get the information if you will take the bet.
I will go into this more when I have time but things are in transitions.
gl

 

Nightmare,

I've got my information straight. It was Bert's on words, which I believe.
I'm not interested in making a bet in order to get information because I already have the correct information. I published Bert’s own words. How much more accurate can you get than Bert’s own words? In your mind, you believe you are contesting me but in reality, you are contesting Bert’s words. To make some kind of point, you want to make a wager with the messenger (me), in order to test the accuracy of Bert’s word. How will making a bet with me change what Bert wrote? Do you want to make a bet to test my resolve? I don’t know what sub-culture you come from but your willingness to make a bet does not make your information more accurate or less accurate. You are the type who will make a wager, knowing that reasonable people don’t need to resort to such juvenile tactics in order to prove a point and will then feel like you proved something because you were not taken up on the bet. That is simply your way to avoid backing up your word. If you have something to share, come across that three foot line and share it. I'm not a drama queen that needs to make a wager in order to make something interesting or controversial. I simply published Bert’s words to counter some wrong information that I.M. published on another board. If you don't like it, go to Mr. Clouse’s grave and argue it out with him. I didn’t need to make a bet in order to forward information and prove that what I.M wrote was incorrect. I don’t need a wager or controversy to exchange ideas. I freely submitted what I knew. So here’s your chance to show what you really know. Go through your magazines and find what you need to find. Do you really need the motivation of a bet to share what you believe is the truth? If you honestly have something to share, belly up. Until you publish something by Mr. Clouse that counters what he wrote in 1959 and 1963, what I published stands as the truth.

I.M. wrote that Butcher Boy was matched in the 60’s, so I posted an article written by Mr. Clouse, showing that Butch’s matches were from 1956 to 1959. I proved that I.M was wrong but he won't admit that he spoke up without first confirming his facts. No retraction.

C2K wrote that Butcher Boy’s 4th match ended in a draw, so I posted Butcher Boy’s actual 4th match, showing that Ferris’ gave it up at 1:45, with Spike passing away after the match. I proved that the information given was incorrect. Still, no retraction

Nightmare, there is no pissing, moaning or calling foul here. It was not me who mentioned anything about using real names on this thread, it was GAR and for the record, you have dropped and published first and last names for over a decade, so stop pissing and moaning.

This site does time out, which is unfortunate. If you have a lengthy response, try writing it on a Word document and then paste when you are ready.

If anyone wants to refute what I posted with relevant documents, then I will gladly continue this dialog. If you guys want to pump up your chests and challenge with bets and arm wrestling contests, well…

C2K/Nightmare
Kindly present any historical information you have about Clouse’s Butcher Boy fighting to a draw.

I.M.
Present any historical information you have, proving that you personally knew Bert Clouse (pictures together, letters addressed to you (no photo-shopping), phone records, etc.