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colby/carver breeding maybe

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by terry832, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    I have a 3yr colby male I got from Mr Colby who is showing great promise and potential... He is very atheletic and great drive. He has never been bred my buddy have a 2yr carver/eli female whoi is a ffirecracker that he got from Chopper Dan he want to breed the dogs my question is does the two lines cross well with each other and has anyone else work with this outcross.....
     
  2. gar

    gar Banned

    HI AND PLEASE DONT TAKE WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY AS A SLAP IN THE FACE , BUT JUST AS SOME ADVICE WHICH I HOPE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LEARN FROM.THE FIRST THING YOU MUST REALISE IS THAT THE FEMALE IS NOT A CARVER /ELI BITCH , BECAUSE THERE ARE NO TRUE BRED CARVER DOGS ALIVE , AND HAVE NOT BEEN SINCE THE 70S , AS WHAT CARVER LEFT THE GAME WAS A LINE OF DOGS THAT AT ONE TIME WERE AS GOOD A YARD OF TRUE BRED DOGS IN THE WORLD ,BUT AS HE VERY RARELY SOLD A DOG , ESPECIALLY TO BEGGINERS WITH THE TRUE PED ON THE DOG , AND NOW IMAGINE ALL THOSE POOR BEGGINERS THINKING THEY HAD PURE CARVER DOGS AND BRED THEM ACCORDING TO THE PEDS HE GAVE THEM , THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT IN JUST A FEW SHORT YEARS , THOSE CARVER DOGS BECAME SO OUTCROSSECD AND SCATTERBRED THAT ITS PITIFULL.The eli side is also a game of chance as ELI HERITAGE AND THE MAN THAT BRED HIM IS HARDLY TO BE TRUSTED , AND IF YOUR LOOKING AT YOUR BITCHES PED AND THINKING YOU CAN BELIEVE IT , YOUR DREAMING , AND THATS NOT BECAUSE THE GUY YOU GOT HER FROM CHEATED YOU , OR THE MAN HE GOT HIS DOGS FROM CHEATED HIM ,BUT COS OL MAURICE CHEATED EVERYBODY WITH HIS PEDS , AND NOW IN THE YEAR 2010 , FOR ANYONE TO SAY THEY HAVE A PURE CARVER DOG , IS JUST KIDDING THEMSELVES .You will HAVE MORE CHANCE OF KNOWING HOW SOMEONES PITBULL FROM THE POUND IS BRED WITH NO PAPAERS THAN THAT BITCH IS BRED , THATS WHAT A MESS CARVER LEFT THE GAME AND OTHERS LIKE HIM .
    Now my second question to you iS WHY IF YOU LIKE YOUR PURE COLBY MALE , THAT I WILL ASSUME DOES NOT HAVE ANY OUTCROSS IN THERE IF YOU GOT HIM FROM OLD MR COLBY,ARE YOU THINKING OF JUST OUTCROSSING HIM INTO OF ALL THINGS A BITCH LIKE THAT.HAVE YOU WONDERED WHY YOU LIKE THE COLBY DOG AND WHY MR COLBY DOESNT DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND JUST OUTCROSS HIS LINE .PLEASE TAKE THIS AS ADVICE YOU WILL NOT BE ADVANCING THE BREED BY JUST OUTCROSSING ,AND UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO BREED TO PEDDLE PUPS WHY WOLUD YOU NOT GO BACK INTO WHAT YOUR MALE CAME FROM OR AT LEAST A MORE RELATED AND TRUE BRED FAMILY LIKE THE HEINZL DOGS.YOU MUST LEARN ABOUT BREEDING AND WHY FAMILY BREEDING GIVES US SO MUCH MORE ,AND ALL I CAN SAY IS RESEARCH THE BREED FROM AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE AND LEARN ABOUT BREEDING ,AS THE REASON WE HAVE SO MANY DOGS BEING BRED ,PROBABLY MORE THAN 90% OF THE BREED BEING OF MULTI FAMILY BRED DOGS , WHICH ARE SO WATERED DOWN AS TO THERE GENECTICS AND HERITAGE THAT IT IS DESTROYING THE BREED.Find yourself if you want to outcross ,a heinzl bitch or better still go back to lou and and get a female and see what comes from those dogs , but whatever you do please please dont breed your pure colby male to that bitch , even if shes an ace , as her side of the ped is a real turkeyshoot .
     
  3. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    Don't know your dog but this is a good piece of advice here. Consistency is something that is imporant to me and that is something i would assume you hav ein your male.
     
  4. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    Gar thanks for the info you are basically saying what others had told me..... I'm not really to enthused about the cross myself its basically my friend with the bitch who has been running chopper Dan dogs(Diamond Jim) for about 5yrs now and he wants to bring some Colby in the mix.. I'm only interested in Colby dogs and reason being you know what you are getting when it comes down to the ped..... I drove to newburyport from houston in Dec06 to pick my boy(Roscoe) up and I sat and talk with Mr Colby for 4hr about my pup sire Colbys Shiner and dam Colbys Roxie this man was amazing he went back as far 7gen on both dogs educating me on pup and that really impress me.... I'm in the process of getting 2 females(Colby) from Mr Colby and one from his son here in Tx....
     
  5. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    Gar I do have question, what's your opinion on Chopper Dan dogs the female my buddy has is bred down off of Chopper Dan Big Chill and Chopper Dan T Joyce their peds are posted on his web site..... Any info would greatly be appreciated. Thanks
     
  6. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    Gar can you check my original post I had a question and some info would be greatly appreciated
     
  7. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    Dreampit your input and info would be appreciated also thanks
     
  8. big dan

    big dan Big Dog

    If you have a pure Colby male from Lou I'd suggest a female Heinzl from Click Stubbs OR Game Town.If you have the resources to get 1 from 1 of these guys get you one if she is true and ur male is also you we have all the dog you need.Bigdan
     
  9. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    if that happens let me know where to pick up a pup at. main thing is to breed with purpose. what does the female have that you want to add to your male. if not much you should go with another one that brings more to the table.
     
  10. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    Will do Dreampit this bitch should come in season in Oct and I will have my buddy contact you....
     
  11. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    I'm still trying to get some more input on Chopper Dan(Diamond Jim) dogs... I spoke with Chopper Dan and got alittle insight from my buddy the owner of the female, but I'm looking for some outside input and info.....
     
  12. Dream Pits

    Dream Pits CH Dog

    well if its ur buddy then who would know better than him? If you are planning on keeping any of the pups that is something you want to know about before you make the breeding. I think long and hard bc frankly i HATE puppies!!! Just got home to a torn up house matter of fact...
     
  13. gar

    gar Banned

    hi terry , i looked at the peds , and the site , the dogs look ok , but i think i explained my feelings about using carver and boudreaux blood because of the lack of certainty with the peds from the past , but im sure you colby male will add something to the mix if you makea breeding , but it will be of more use to the CDK DOGS THAN TO YOU.If i were you i would do it but only for battle croses not for my own breeding program , if i were you i would get a female from lou or his son ,and look for a good bred heinzl bitch or male and go from their , inbreeding and linebreding within that blood for my own yard .
     
  14. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    That's route I planned on going.... Once again thanks for the insight and your info.... Hope I can call on you if I have anymore questions.... Thanks for your time
     
  15. terry832

    terry832 Pup

    LoL Dreampit I remember those day well, my Rosco was worse than my two year old he got into everything.... Chewed the bumper off my wife car,chewed the bark off a pecan tree in my backyard killing it.... Those were the days but I wouldn't trade them for nothing in the world..... Thanks for your post an info it has really been helpful
     

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