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creatine and amino acid suppliments???

Discussion in 'Sports & Activities' started by BFKENNEL, Jul 9, 2004.

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  1. I've mixed small amounts of creatine in the food and had excellent results. I don't know about all that other stuff. I'm afraid of the long term affects.
     
  2. Onac

    Onac Pup

    YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I CAN BE LONG WINDED. BUT THIS TIME I HAVE GOOD REASON. I WROTE THIS ON ANOTHER BOARD AT PEDS ONLINE. SO I WILL JUST COPY AND PASTE. BUT ID YOU GET THE CHANCE TAKE A LOOK AT PEDS ONLINE CONDITIONING SECTION.

    THIS IS MERELY TO INFORM ANYONE THAT VIEWS THIS. NOT TO START OR PICK FIGHTS. I HAVE NOTICED THE USE OF CREATINE IN THIS KEEP AND WISH TO ASK A FEW SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
    CREATINE IS (STORE BOUGHT) IS DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ALL MOST EVERY HUMAN THAT CONSUMES AND UTILIZES CREATINE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THREE BASIC PRINCIPALS IN MIND.
    LOADING PHASE
    MAINTENANCE PHASE
    AND
    WASHOUT PHASE.
    HUMAN DOSING IS AS FOLLOWS:
    Obviously, an individual's capacity to store creatine should ultimately depend on the amount of muscle mass they possess. For this reason exactly you should adjust your creatine dose to match your bodyweight (a rough approximation of muscle mass). According to Hultman et al. (4) during the loading phase take 0.3 grams of creatine monohydrate for each kilogram you weigh. The maintenance dose is 10-times less, or 0.03 grams of creatine monohydrate per kilogram of body weight. To calculate you creatine dose in pounds simply divide your bodyweight in pounds by 2.2; 1 kilogram = 2.2 pounds. In other words, an "average" sized male of 154 pounds, weighs 70 kilograms, or 154 divided 2.2. The next step is to multiply your weight in kilos by the appropriate dose. For example, our average person would load with 21 grams of creatine monohydrate per day (0.3 x 70 = 21) and maintain with 2.1 grams of creatine monohydrate daily (0.03 x 70 = 2.1).

    SO I WILL ASK QUESTION ONE, HOW HAVE YOU COME UP WITH THIS 1 TSP. PER DAY?
    QUESTION TWO:
    WHERE IS THE LOADING PHASE FOR THE DOG IN YOUR KEEP.
    THE WASHOUT PERIOD:
    IN HUMANS THE WASHOUT PERIOD IS SUCH:
    Today it is frequently advised that a washout-out phase be incorporated following the maintenance phase. The wash out phase is an addendum to the original supplementing method of Hultman, Greenhaff and colleagues and is merely a precautionary measure just in case there are any adverse consequences to creatine use. I personally recommend that you wash-out for one month following every two months of supplementation. This amount of time should be sufficient to allow your system to return to normal after ceasing supplementation. After wash out supplementing can commence anew with a loading phase. Well, so much for the basics of creatine supplementation. We'll next discuss why creatine works.

    IF YOUR BULLDOG, COMES OFF OF MAN MADE CREATINE ONLY FIVE DAYS BEFORE SHOW,
    QUESTION 3. HOW CAN ONE PREVENT THE DOG FROM RUNNING HOT AS HELL!?

    DOGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM HUMANS BUT THIS USE OF CREATINE IN SUCH A MANNER SEEMS A BIT MUCH.
    HOW MANY GRAMS ARE IN A TSP. [​IMG][​IMG]??

    JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
     
  3. swosprey

    swosprey Pup

    I don't know about what it does to dogs, But I remember that creatine was linked to renal
    failure when the person using it was not properly hydrating themselves. My senior year in college
    two guys in my weight class died using creatine and dehydrating themselves to make weight.
    I don't know how this correlates with dogs but i would imagine you would have to keep them hydrated
    and use proper dosage.
     
  4. who

    who Top Dog

    I agree the ways of conditioning are already set in stone yes a FEW other things have been added...like B-12 shots and other vitamin shots also but the diet has a MAJOR effect on your dog's weight muscle mass and all that...a good keep will DEFINATELY improve your dog's performance...but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress...i have seen TO MANY good dogs run to hot and pass on and the owers or trainers are the ones to blame STICK TO THE BASICS,,,,, STICK TO THE BASICS,,,,,,,,STICK TO THE BASICS....thats all i can say............if your just wanting good health for your "PETBULL" then a good diet and walking your dog is just fine....these dogs are natural born athletes they dont need all this stuff if their a PETBULL......... GOOD DIET....GOOD DIET....and LOVE
     
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  5. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    “I agree the ways of conditioning are already set in stone”

    Conditioning much like nutrition is not set in stone. There is always room for improvement in knowledge and technology.

    “but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...”

    Creatine has its place in a keep, that is the reason most great conditioner of this era use it. Just stop using it two week out.

    “a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress...”

    You would have to be an idiot if you took a dehydrated dog to a show expecting him to do well. Depending on the weather and humidity you might won’t them a little dry, but NEVER dehydrated.

     
  6. who

    who Top Dog

    so u give him water before the show 15 hours without water is steep enough and creatine isnt gonna do nothing for the dog then
     
  7. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    You lost me on this one Who. Could you ask again exactly it is your wanting me to answer?
     
  8. who

    who Top Dog

    well its kinda simple TEXAS read what you put before mine

    and i asked you if you give your dog water before the show?
    then i said "15 hours without water IS STEEP enough for a dog...WHY add creatine for more stress?"
     
  9. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    “well its kinda simple TEXAS”
    Deciphering your post at times is anything but simple.

    “and i asked you if you give your dog water before the show?”
    Short answer is yes, a sip after pre-weigh in.

    “then i said "15 hours without water IS STEEP enough for a dog...WHY add creatine for more stress?"”
    That is not what you said, what you said was “...but for adding creatine to your dogs KEEP that is a bad idea and all the people that on OFFERING this advice to you are NOT informed about GOOD dog conditioning...a dog is ALREADY dehydrated when it comes to the "SHOW" so why add to the stress”.



     
  10. who

    who Top Dog

    lol...so in short thats what i said....creatine...(in the way i condition) will only add stress to the dog and kidneys....why do u ALWAYS look for somthing to pin on me....you say inconsistencies and i dont see it....illl just type stuff in short to remind you what i said...
     
  11. well call me really new to the game but i think a dog will be what it was bred to, just like a human they r natural bodybuilders and steroid pumpin freaks who in the end cant even live a happy life, adding winny-v and cyponate and all these steroids will just in the longrun mess your dogs up why would u folks do this just naturally work your dogs to get your desired conformation and in the end if the dog cant get to your needed conformation then you must be breeding in the wrong direction. again for those who do it have fun but if you claim to love your animal then the best way is to work him,creatine,winny,cyponate,and all the other so call enhancers are just that your dog will return to its orininal conformation in the end just a little more messed up inside so good luck folks.
     
  12. BDK

    BDK oo7

    You hit the nail right on the head. I agree if your pit can't do it naturally then it just isn't in em, find another blood that it is in.
     
  13. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Guest

    Creatine is a natural compound found in Meat like deer rabbit cow etc... thats why wolves in the wild get alot of creatine by eating raw meat. Aminos is basically protein that has been broken down to its next element for easier absorbtion. Most dog food companys dont use creatine in there formula why? cause it cost too much but is the one supplement that they really need especially if they are working dogs.
     
  14. mioton28

    mioton28 Pup

    Posted by: Whiskey Bay. Wrong Username here
    Yes creatine is a natural occurrence in some red meats,But you are talking about it here like it's gonna add extra mass or muscle to your dog.If that was the case and wolves get so much of it in the wild then why aren't they built like brick shidhouses.I have worked with wolves on a personal basis and comparing them to a domestic breed they are nothing more than a wild shepherd.As far as weight and build
     
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  15. Saiyagin

    Saiyagin Guest

    When I said wolves get alot of creatine in the wild I was comparing it to our dogs in which they get barely no creatine at all cause alot of dog food companys dont use it due to cost. Also why wolves dont get huge in the wild is because they do not weight pull or strength train thats the only way to get huge and massive while taking creatine. Also the natural creatine wolfs get in the wild cannot even compare to the creatine supplements used by proffessional body builders of today for example a wolf would have to eat 2 whole deers by himself in order to get one scoop of creatine supplement that the body builders use and body builders take as many as ten -twelve scoops per day. I hope you can understand this cause I really hate typing. lol...lol...
     
  16. miakoda

    miakoda GRCH Dog

    just a little fyi on the comment that human supplements are evaluaated by the FDA: they're NOT. that' why there is such a controversy going on in our gov't over the use of these things, & why stores like GNC are constantly having to pull things off their shelves cause the FDA finally got around to evalutating them. I'm not saying anything about whether or not I'm against canine supplements, b/c actually I'm at a neutral stance. As a college athlete, I used several diff suplements to enhance my performance(but no steriods-women w/mustaches aren't attractive!). And with some there were numerous adverse affects on the body. So I find it interesting (honestly I never thought about it) to discuss the use of them in our caninces. If anyone has some good sites on the subject (or pics of your dogs who use them) I would love to see them. Keep up the talk guys!
     
  17. powder925

    powder925 Big Dog

    could you please give me your definition of"natural"?last time I checked dogs didn't naturally breed for gamness,mouth,ability,run on treadmills for hrs,swim in swim tanks or take antibiotics ect.steriods and other supplements have been used for years with success in the world of sport and will always offer alittle bit of an edge over your opponent if used properly but the truth is not many people know how to use these suppliments properly and end up fucking up their dog because they are trying to make up for their poor conditioning skills.I know of more people who have fucked up a dog from overworking them in their keep than I know of that fucked them up from using suppliments.
    anyway sorry for singling you out ,its just the term"natural" gets thrown around alot.I say To Each Their Own
     
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  18. powder925

    powder925 Big Dog

    winny is one of the worst things to give your dog because it is a DHT derivative which can case problems with your dogs prostate(dogs got really sensitive prostates)
     
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