1. Welcome to Game Dog Forum

    You are currently viewing our forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

    If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

    Dismiss Notice

Crenshaw's Gr Ch Blackjack

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by Bloodline74, May 15, 2020.

  1. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

  2. che

    che Top Dog

    Both combinations are very well put together. I would give a chance
     
    GrChHaunch likes this.
  3. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    Yeah...the price in the Black rock pup is $2.5k...Not saying the pup is not worth it, Lil Red was Dog of the year, but it is a bit rich for me, plus I have to get him here from Mexico. I am probably going with a pup froma 2 time winner I can get for $700 that is a 2 hour drive for me. Would have been a hell of a breeding and I could get $1500 for the pups, but I am not really interested in selling dogs, just wanted to get a male for myself.

    Yes there is some very pure Hollingsworth blood left. A lot was based upon frozen sperm. As mentioned, I would like to breed one of he pure Hollingsworth dogs (they are a 1 day drive from me) to a pup out of Black Rocks Ch Little Red. The only hing holding me back is the price on the Little Red pups. Here is a link to the pure Hollingsworth dogs: home
     
  4. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    Dex sold A.Reb. a dog he got from stones row. They know each other but I doubt Reb would do any more business with him after he bought a dog for high dollar that had heart worms....

    Dex also got into a little controversy here after ripping someone off on pups from agk he never got. Then the pedophile shit came to light in the middle of it all. Haven't seen dex or his home girl on here since....
     
  5. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    No doubt about it. Jay absolutely will not deal with him. ARK is good people. Like the guy more than I like most people. All around good guy and definitely has some real deal Hollingsworth blood.
    Lol I forgot about that incident involving me. Oddest shit ever. Lol I don't hold grudges. Everyone's got an angle.
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2022
    GrChHaunch likes this.
  6. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    You fuck around with kids I personally wish the worst for you.
     
    CopperOFRN, Ssdd, kiwidogman and 2 others like this.
  7. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog


    Can you explain this a little more fully for me? I don't even know who Dex or A. Reb are, I am not an insider. All I know is I did a ton of research on the Black Rock dogs and they were really well regarded by everyone. I know Lil' Red was SDJ dog of he year, back when I was paying attention to such things (13 years ago when I was in the market for dogs) that title carried a lot of weight. I also know that Ben Brockton had one. I may not get along perfectly with Ben, but I do know that if he likes a dog it is probably pretty good. I was in private chat with some guys I trusted who agreed.

    So I figured a Blackrock dog was a good option. They were easy to contact and got back to me with the $2.5 k price. I also knew I would have to get the dog to me from Mexico. I have a shit ton in medical bills...plus I just don't feel quite right paying more than $1.5 k...maybe 2k tops for a dog, and that would include delivery. I have been told repeatedly by experienced dog men that no matter how good a pedigree is, even w/ GDCHamps and Roms up front that there is no guarantee a dog will turnout anyways. Correct me if I am wrong, but even with perfect peds and up close winners the odds are still that less than a third of the dogs are good.

    Again, I am just asking here, and trying to learn.
     
  8. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    Who are you referring to with the real Hollingsworth blood, is it American Rebel Kennels? home
     
    AGK likes this.
  9. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    They have stuff almost directly off Hollingsworth Dolly and Bull....obviously frozen sperm.
     
  10. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    A. Reb. Was at work and short handed american rebel. Dex is David hunt. He sold a dog to American rebel who had heart worms. He then tried to get pups from agk but in the process ripped someone off on the pups(not agk).

    As far as black rocks their reputation speaks for itself. I talked to them 10+ years ago off 1xw nazi(anyone who has seen him and knows his story knows he's a once in a lifetime bulldog) x gr ch Cheyenne. I was leary being in the Midwest and them being in Mexico. I regret not getting one to this day. I know more than 1 person who has dogs off little red. My buddy just bred a winning son of him to some tdkĂ—redboy stuff. I'm not an Eli or tdk person but I'm buying one if there's one available.

    My transaction with black rocks went as smoothly as anyone could ask for. Getting the dog from mx to the south east wasn't too much hassle either. She was here the day after she made it across the border. It's all in who you know I suppose. Id just shell out the money and meet them at the border if I was you.
     
    GrChHaunch likes this.
  11. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Hell joyero let me transfer a deposit from a pup then took payments because of the price difference. I agree with what Pollo said about they'll sell you whatever you want but they've always been good to me. Joyero answers every message I send and has answered every question I've asked him. Even sent me a piece of his keep to compare to others I have. They're good folks. I'd spend 2.5k with them before $500 with someone else.
     
    GrChHaunch likes this.
  12. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Yes.
     
    GrChHaunch likes this.
  13. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog


    Gotcha. Yes I have been in communication w/ A Reb. He is also friends with Gary who owned Haunch many years ago when I bred to him. Gary was really a gentleman and a scholar and mentored me. A Reb has the blood I really want, he offered me a good price on an upcoming breeding, $1500. He also offered me a really good price on breeding to Little John, 1k. In my chats w/ A Reb I have found him to be an excellent person. However I never discussed one thing, if he was taking a look at his dogs. That just not a discussion you can have with someone, even though we both know Gary. I knew Gary more than 25 years ago so he may not even remember me.

    I figured that since he was paying $10k for semen and had been around so long and was kind of high profile that he was not in a position to look at his dogs. Again this is all speculation on my part. I am not connected enough to know these things or ask these questions. I would ask Gary but the owner of A Reb never put me in contact with him....understandable since I could just be some random guy. But he has the blood, that pure Hollingsworth blood I have always loved. So here is what I figured: I would get a dam off a proven dog like little Red and then breed it to Little John (or one of the other Hollingsworth dogs A Reb has) that would give me a combination of something that was successful in terms of modern fast lane dogs, and something from the pure Hollingsworth blood. Again this is just me, a guy with no direct connections or inside info trying to create the best dogs he can based on what information he could get.

    Anyways, with all my health shit....my ambulance bill was $2k alone and my insurance isn't covering it....it covers my other stuff like the team of 8 workers who brought me back to life and my heart surgery....but even with insurance I owe a fortune. I am not in a position to drop 2.5k, get that dog to me from Mexico, then take that dog to Florida...stay a few days (IE rent a hotel) while it is bred to a pure Hollingsworth dog, and then getting the (hopefully) pregnant bitch back to Texas. Not to mention my wife thinks I am crazy and will die in 6 months, LOL. She found out about me still teaching wrestling the week before my heart proceeder (against docs orders) so I guess I can't blame her.

    So yeah, sorry for the ramble. But the thing is, I want to do this stuff because I love the breed. I want to try and do everything I can to make the dogs better. I also miss dearly having a dog in my life, so I figured the next best thing was to get the dog local to me (2.5 hour drive) that I can get for $700. It is not a bad dog at all, has some decent working dogs up front and the guy who has it does not seem like a peddler at all.
     
  14. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog


    That is exactly what I would like to do....but as you can see in my above post ^ I am not in a position to do so.
     
  15. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Then I'd hold off. Buy what you want not what you can get easily. You'll be happier in the long run.

    That's just what I do and how I love my life though. I'd rather not have buyers remorse taking the "easier" route. But if all you want is a little house mongral it wouldn't be fiscally smart to buy a performance bred dog. Just my opinion
     
  16. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    Cml little John?
     
  17. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    Dam dex got a few licks in before he got vanished to the dark side !
     
  18. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    Sounds like you pray dexter Morgan pays dex a visit
     
  19. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    I meant wish not pray been on the road for like 17 hours !
     
  20. Pullingcovers

    Pullingcovers Top Dog

    Good fellas I need to sleep ! Apologies for the babbling
     

Share This Page