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Dogmen Conversations about Man-Biters and Man-Eaters

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Robertosilva, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Woodsy

    Woodsy Pup

    I wonder how our breed would of turned out if those really famous man bitters like Bullyson and Zebo had never been bred from and if back then they had taken steps to not even breed to the close relatives of these man bitters?
    I think we would still have the high performance dog that we know and love today. If we can't have high calibre match dogs with 100% good temperaments that won't put people in danger then it's probably better that we don't have any Bulldogs at all. We had some really good pitbulls in the UK back in the 80s that were top quality with very reliable temperaments but we kept breeding them to other lines that we all knew were a little bit dodgy and this was just stupid. It depends what your standards are but if you don't expect perfection then you probably won't get it. I don't care how good any individual dog is . However much I value that dog I still value the breed more and so if the dog isn't safe then as difficult as it might be I would put to sleep. This breed we love is unfortunately living on borrowed time. BSL is slowly happening around the world. If we want these dog's to survive in this overpopulated planet we need to up our game and faze out suspect dog's from breeding programs. I keep reading comments from people saying it's not the game bred dogs that are biting people owned by dog men it's the pets and big am bully freaks. Well I'm sorry but that's just not true. Almost all the unsafe unsound dogs that I see were performance bred dogs bred by dog men. Some were sold as pets but most went to working homes. Some were sold as adults for the very reason they were dangerous. Parts of the uk are so overcrowded it's difficult to park your car or just walk down the street without getting in someone's way so you can't possibly risk keeping an unsafe dog. I say this is such a special breed with most of these dog's having such superb temperaments why risk ruining everything for the sake of a few suspect dogs.
    If they are nasty to people then kill them.
     
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  2. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    If you are looking for 100% temperament I would suggest getting some goldfish. These are animals not fucking robots.
     
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  3. stickler

    stickler Banned

    ... says a Bullyson-fan :)):)):))
     
  4. stickler

    stickler Banned

    Man-biters are one thing.
    But using a line of dogs bred down of a manbiting cur is another thing.
    What a poor selection :)):)):))
     
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  5. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Just like you stickler to pretend to know what goes on over here. What a surprise more American envy.....
     
  6. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Woodsy I remember reading almost identical arguments 25 years ago.
     
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  7. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Had a bunch of Bullyson dogs bred by BH or by me. Never had manbiter amongst them.
     
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  8. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    At first it is how are they raised and so on, if not raised right problems are on the way. Lot of people raise bulldogs without a clue of a dogs need character history. A real mean dog is seldom born it is often what folks fabriciated from it. Took care for many of those dogs way back. Experienced all kind of blooded dogs, never a manbiter in the bunch.
     
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  9. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    According the standard people friendly is a must which is a mighty good thing. But you have dogs, with a manbiter prominent in the pedigree... What to do? As they are all people friendly and all the rest.... Forget about them or take the change and bred them to see how that develop? All Quastions to consider isn't?!? Breeding is a bitch LOL
     
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  10. stickler

    stickler Banned

    That's just how it goes if you got an open mind :-O:-?:P
    Do you know what 'an open mind' means ?
    Naaaah, you don't :)):)):))
    If you wanna know then just stick your finger up your ass and see what will happen :>
     
  11. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Stickler you meme & retort like a child. Truthfully you really don't have a clue about these dogs or the history of them in the states. I understand it hurts you because really you are on the outside looking in. I guarentee you are just as pitiful offline as you are online.
     
  12. Woodsy

    Woodsy Pup

    Yes but we never listened and now we pay the price.
     
  13. Woodsy

    Woodsy Pup

    If just one person listens to what I said then it might save a child's life. My friend and a good man had a bitch she was from one of what we considered the best stuff in the country. She would get all moody and growling all the time round his family all moody and domineering. He could train dogs and he wouldn't of ever abused a dog to cause this behaviour. She was a really good high ability bitch so he persevered and kenneld her outside. He was offered a litter brother when they were about 2years old or more. He went to buy this dog and took another dog man who was going halfs on the dog with him. This chap that went with him decided to give this nice looking apparently friendly dog a walk round the block just to get a feel of the dog. 5 minutes later his back in a panic with the dog still on the lead except the dog has got a little girls dress in it's mouth. This c@nt of a dog has grabbed a young girl out with her family. Police came took the dog and later destroyed it. Another one in this litter also owned by sensible experienced woking bulldog owners just out of the blue as the chaps brother walked through the door home from work the same as he did every day bends down to greet this bitch just the same as he always did but this day she decided to scratch across the room and slammed into him wham bam and another one from the litter gets put to sleep. From what I could gather the whole litter were not safe. This wasn't environment or upbringing or bad training or neglect. To many from this line were unsafe dogs. We had dogs in the uk that should never been bred.
     
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  14. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Those born with a screw loose, wires burned, a menace to society, to find in people or animals need to be culled. How much I love dogs it is not worth a human life. But as stated before, a real mean dog is seldom born. And yes the unpredictable you have around as well. Better have a good eye for a dog or Stay out.
     
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  15. Woodsy

    Woodsy Pup

    Yes I see some I would be proud to own. I only mentioned Bullison and Zebo because they were a good example of dogs that would bite that everyone has heard of. I know you have years and years of experience in these dog's Fwk and I respect that and always like reading anything you have to say about these dog's. I have probably not had anywhere near the experience as you and you could probably of forgotten more about these dogs than most people will ever know but nonetheless I have been around these dog's for 40 years or more. It was dogs like Morphews Misty and Beedells Ester girl back when I was first into them so surely I'm entitled to have some kind of an opinion on them. No the dogs I see that were not safe were not Bullison bred dogs but whatever they were and no matter how good some of them undoubtedly were they produced some bad dogs. These people owned dogs from other strains and brought them up in the same way and had no problems. Something in the genetics I think.
     
  16. RickyB

    RickyB Pup

    how many are really dangerous , not many ,and a lot who get called pit bulls in the media or by the faggots who work for the rspca are usually mutts , living in a house thinking they are higher up the pecking order than small kids ,,
     
  17. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    People are treating the dogs as humans alike which they are defentely not. Never leave small kids alone with whatever breed of dogs.
     
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  18. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    A dog follows his instincts rather then his brain which is format peanut.
     
  19. Woodsy

    Woodsy Pup

    I don't need to get a gold fish Ben because I've been really lucky and managed to own one or two good game dogs that although were good natural guard dogs were never unsafe around the general public. They were excitable and a bit of a handful sometimes but they were 100% with people and I don't care what anyone says they were real bulldogs in every way. They could be trusted in every way. No accidents tugging on a rope no excite biting. They were sound solid trustworthy and worthy of breeding. I had one who had that typical pitbull temperament friendly with people but not with other pitbulls. He was really possessive with his food and would not let other dogs that he lived with and normally tolerated near his food. He was guarding and growling over his food bowl one time because another dog I had was a bit too close for his liking. At the time this was happening I was the other side of a glass door watching him with the corner of my eye whilst using an electric power tool. The silly woman who lived with me at the time opened another door in the house and let her 2 years old daughter run up to this dog while his eating his food and growling at the same time. She made the dog jump when she started to pat him and at this moment I'm trying to get to them as quickly as possible to avoid a possible dog bite. I needn't of bothered because yes it did startle the dog and yes he did turn round as quick as lightening and fully intended to bite until he realised it was her and not one of my other dogs. He just licked her face and went back to eating his food. This is what I expect from a bulldog and after owning a few like this I won't settle for anything less. Maybe I've been spoiled but when it comes to pitbulls I expect perfection I would prefer better but I will settle for perfection . Like I said to many good friendly ones about to bother with a dodgy one.
     
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  20. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Enough of this fucking weird shit. You ain't never laid eyes on a bulldog or been around one. You already been hit with facts from AGK about dog bites stats that's really common knowledge. Save your feed bowl and dress storys for fur mommas and the pta meeting because you sounding like the fucking RSPCA
     
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