Famous Inbred Dogs

Saw this posted by CA Jack on pedsonline and it looked like a good topic. I am still not sure what my take is on this subject yet.

There are a lot of people who have the mistaken opinion that dogs have to be "outcrossed" to be any good.

My own belief is that INBRED dogs are more valuable dogs all the way around than outcrossed dogs. Furthermore, even the best outcrossed animals of all time have an inbred dog in their immediate ancestry

It is actually correctly-bred INBRED animals that keep any "breed standard" alive in the brood pen ... I mean, no one can dispute this fact ... but even as match dogs inbred dogs are still some of the very best of all time. Here are some examples of superb-performing inbred dogs ... and the breeding techniques used to create them:


10xW

Half-brother, half-sister


9xW

Father, niece


8xW

Half-brother, half-sister


7xW

Intensely linebred Bolio


7xW

Intensely linebred Snowball


6xW

Mother, nephew


5xW

Mother, nephew


5xW

Triple-bred Bullyson and father/niece


I could go on for hours I guess ... but all of these great animals were the products of inbreeding ... and in a could of cases several generations of intense linebreeding.

I am pretty sure most of yall are familiar with these animals ... and I am sure many of you can post other famous and top-shelf inbred animals that I didn't think of right away.

My point in posting this is to correct the utter fallacy in thinking (that is SO pandemic amongst dogmen) that "inbred dogs can't win" ... I do believe that the above animals prove that this utterly incorrect.

Jack

 

I have always been a fan and understood it as 50/50 out crosses were the best, So this is an interesting read.

 

More of Jack's stuff about it:

Boze is another intensely linebred dog (on Blind Billy) but is not an inbred dog.

Blind Billy (the dog Boze is linebred on) is actually the extremely inbred dog in that equation:


Blind Billy

To appreciate how tight BBilly is, keep in mind Blind Billy's mother (Ch Minnie) was off of Dibo's brother Arizona Pete bred back to their mother Bambi ... and Blind Billy was produced in breeding Ch Minnie back to her uncle Dibo.

That is some heavy inbreeding right there, and Floyd was smart to make that inbred dog the foundation of his yard. It doesn't get any tighter Dibo/Pete/Bambi than that!

Jack

More from Jack:

It is interesting to click on a few of the offspring. For example, when you click on Hand's Gr Ch Happy Jack, you will see that he was inbred back to his daughter, and this produced Gr Ch Sir Dog (7xW):

7xW

Father/daughter

So don't believe what "most people" will tell you about inbreeding and linebreeding ... because the fact is most people simply have no clue ... the truth is inbreeding and linebreeding (when done properly) can give you EVERYTHING you want in an animal ... a truly badass bulldog AND the consistent ability to produce ...

It is up to each individual, however, to make sure they line- and inbreed on the right dogs ...

Jack

 

Those are some inbred monsters right there! I think you can get good dogs from any style of breeding. Some is luck and some is skill.

I will be the first to admit that I always looked at inbreeding and line breeding as the same thing. I know there is alot of famous out crossed dogs too. That's why I said you can get good dogs from any style of breeding.

Booney's Sport is the only listed offspring. I wonder if either ever threw any other good dogs.

Looks like most are some sort of Eli bred hound, that's interesting.

 

Aye whats goin on WD!? Im a fan of inbred/linebred dogs because of the same reason the ol timer said...I believe they are better all around dogs. It's also MO that like stated in the post that it definately depends on inbreeding an linebreedin the right animals. I've been linebreeding an have stuff off my best dog for about 5yrs....I 1st I took my best stud an backed a bitch bred to produce...next I bred him to my best performing bitch...we keep the best...take half bro x half sis....an long story short I can tell you for fact anything tight bred from my stuff come equipped with HUGE hangers, tons of drive, an starts early!...Now the only downfall which I dont really mind is that the linebred dogs tend to be smaller...more compact in size...but like alot of ppl I like em 32-38 anyway lol! It's also MPO that a inbred or linebred pup should be aquired EARLY like right @ 8wks-12wks....gettn a dog that young gives you time to introduce it to all you want to. So hands down! I prefer mine to be products of father/daughter...mother/son an even half bro/half sis dependin on the parents.

Good read WD!!

 

I believing breeding in general is about breeding the right dogs to the right dogs. You get good dogs from both out crossing and linebreeding. Some of my best dogs were from 50/50 out crosses and line bred dogs.

 

The question I have wd

Is when inbreeding do you think it would better to inbreed on a producing female or male

Saying all is equal wich would have the better shot at passing on the correct traits at a consistant rate

 

I have seen it both ways so it depends on what your looking for. I had a male that would consistantly throw early started and game bulldogs. I also had a female that would consistantly throw extremely hard mouth dogs. So it just depends on what your looking for. The most important thing to any breeding program is the individual dogs that are chosen to be bred.

 

And it should always matter on the individual dogs being bred.Don't base it off the ped they come from.Use the dogs as the measuring stick!

 

Makes since

 

WD, very good advice. This is what the forums should be about, helping others with opinions of expeirence.

stratos

 

nothin wrong with inbreeding as long as there is a purpose just like with any other breeding. People always wanna tighten up on something but cant tell you why
when u look at the breedings of the dogs above i would predict a great dog would come from most of them

 

There is no sure fire way to breed but you have to have the experience to know what your looking for. Some see a dog run through the woods for :20 minutes and think they got the gamest dog on the planet. Shit is hilarious.

 

jack wolud say that, it looks better on paper and carrys a higher price tag.

 

i defintitely am not a fan of his but he does give some good advice at times. his book is good andd is a must for someone that wants to know how to get the most for his buck.

 

I'd be more likely to say the opposite. It seems to me most people want to out cross and they have no idea why.

 

People tend to look at one generation of success from an out cross but if you follow the subsequent breedings you will tend to notice the the continued success comes from line breeding. Loose or otherwise.

I mean think about it logically. Constantly breeding 50/50 dogs will lead to scatter bred pedigrees. you can't even get to a 50/50 ped if someone hasn't established a line of dogs. You have to focus your breeding efforts on an individual or family to maintain success.

I find it pretty amazing that people think the production of out crossed dogs matches that of family bred dogs considering there's no real evidence supporting this.

Even with Gr.Ch Yellow his best offspring on average came from being bred back to his own daughters. Not from being out crossed. Mayday produced well bred back to the bolio side or the rbj side.

Jeep produced best when bred back to decedents of his dam Honeybunch etc.

 

greaat read lots of info

 

most people i come across like to boast about having pure such n such or how tight there dogs are bred of whom ever. The point is all types of breeding have there place, knowing which is needed in certain situations is what separates people as breeders of performance animals. If you continue to outcross you will lose all consistency which will make locking in traits damn near impossible. But look at the caliber of dogs that were successfully inbred. Its not something that should be common practice with common dogs