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For the folks new to dogs

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by ben brockton, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. Michele

    Michele CH Dog Super Moderator

    Can you post up the video for us?
     
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  2. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. CH Dog

    Who the shoe fits ... Try 2 walk before you start running, good luck with your endavours.
     
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  3. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    yeah just gotta get it out of my old phone. It wont read a sim card so ill just record it on another phone and see if i can get it up here.
     
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  4. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    Thanks for the good luck wish. We all strange in some way.
     
  5. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    im trying to upload it now but I'm having some trouble at the moment. Dont want to seem to upload.
     
  6. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

     
  7. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    Heres a picture of it. File is too big to send and I don't know how to rescale it down to 4.9MB. My pup was the third he fed.
     

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  8. Ssdd

    Ssdd Top Dog

    5 years???? 15-20+.

    Most ppl believe a family is built off 3-4 generations at least. In 3-5 years you should know if pups born this year are going to be bred. Not thinking it'll be when your family is formed.

    I'm at work I'll add to all this when I get home this evening.
     
  9. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    Thank u very much for the reply. I enjoy knowledge of my passion. Why 3-5 years? Is it because you want the animals to mature fully mentally and physically and see how all of their traits end up at the final growth stage?
     
  10. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Speak the truth @AGK NOBODY ALLOWED TO THE YARD....PPL BE LARKING AND YOU NEVER KNO THERE FULL INTENTIONS...For instance you mentoring a youngin and he cleaning shit and building a bound with everyday and the itch of stealing comes and you think u trusting someone trustworthy and he gets missing and ya dog...Realest statement nobody feds but my hounds but wife my kids and me for sure...trust no one even the so called friends you got...or think you got
     
  11. Ssdd

    Ssdd Top Dog

    So historically...

    Dogs generally get started anywhere from. 18 months to 24. So that's 2 years before they're started. Let's say you have some phenomenal ace you only look at a couple times. That's at least 3-6 months. So between 2 years to say 3 you're just finding out if you even have a match dog. So then let's say you want to campaign it. That could be another year to 3 being shown. So 5 years from birth to end of career is "average"(nothing is average in these dogs).
     
  12. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    Do you mean turning on or starting the schooling. Cuz I've seen many dogs turn on waaaaayyyyy before 18 months. Youngest I've seen is 8 weeks. Hates everything on four legs and had to separated from the litter. Some hold and some don't .
     
  13. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

     
  14. Ssdd

    Ssdd Top Dog

    Puppies showing dog aggression and being started are worlds apart. I thought that would be understood.

    I broke it down to Crayola and construction paper. Idk how else to explain it further.....


    All I can really say is the guy you got your dog in question from seems like a douche. Says a lot of stupid shit and sold you a bill of goods. "If I had them they'd be box quality"(no way to know without seeing), "I'll get out of dogs if it doesn't work out", "if theyre checked its almost impossible to breed them" etc. It all sounds real slick but there's no truth behind it.

    You don't want to breed curs but you'll breed a 16 month old "ruined"(your words) puppy you have no idea about.

    I'd spay and neuter this pair. Use them to properly learn maintenance, care, and as a way to meet new people who will help you in all aspects of the dogs. Once you have learned the basics get some more dogs from people you've met and doesn't say stupid shit like the guy you got these dogs from, raise them with no thoughts of breeding them, see if they adhere to your breeding standard and if they do breed them. If they don't remove them from your program how you seem fit and keep trying.

    There's a lot more to producing quality dogs than getting 2 dogs breeding them and crossing your fingers it works out. The point is to stack the deck in your favor through SELECTIVE breeding. Nothing selective about getting 2 dogs waiting til they're sexually mature and letting them hump
     
  15. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I will also add, anyone who talks like that when selling a pup is setting themselves up for failure. It is a federal felony to sell fighting dogs and another one if you crossed a state line with that animal. Anyone who would say things like they'll be box dogs or they are game etc. Is putting themselves in the legal crosshairs. They committed a felony for selling the dog to you under those pretences and you committed one by buying it. I'd be very leary of people who talk so openly to strangers about such things. JM2c.

    I kind of agree with what Ssdd said about the Douche part. Much of what he seemed to tell you, simply isn't true. If dogs once started won't breed then how all these working dogs producing pups? Lol.

    A been down the road dog still more times than not changes his attitude fast when he smells in heat pussy.
     
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  16. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Certainly possible sound genetics can overcome mediocre training, handling. Some would prevail no matter the circumstances. But that is not a sound approach to developing a reliable(read bonded) working/companion dog.
     
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  17. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    " A been down the roaddog still more times than not changes his attitude fast when he smells in heat pussy." Sounds just like me and the ol'e lady every time she about to hit the mall lmfao
     
  18. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    I get what u saying but no, I didn't say I was going to breed him. I was seeking advice on doing so and if it's right. I know there were cold dogs out there producing like Garners Frisco, and Rancherittas Gator. I know they are a rarity though. Yeah, it always seemed stupid that it was going to be hard to breed them if I tested them on hunt. His reasoning was that I was new and couldn't handle fully started dogs. I thought he had the real deal and so I trusted him at the time.
     
  19. Ssdd

    Ssdd Top Dog


    Breeding stands and muzzles are cheap and readily available. That cuts all the difficulty due to dog aggression.

    Like I said I'd go a completely different route. Starting with finding someone else to help you learn the basics. Without the basics you're trying to build a house roof down.
     
  20. Zionwood

    Zionwood Pup

    When he sold me the pup that day, he said he was going to be a bulldog. Not a box dog, not a match dog. Bulldog. He told me that he would be a box dog if he had him after I complained about him to him. There was no official pretense about selling me an illegal animal. He talks about it like that openly, not me. I don't condone illegal activities with these animals. It is a class F felony in all 50 states and misdemeanor for spectating. Something I avoid like the plague. I test mine on hogs, as they are quite prevalent in the south east as u probably know. I don't even talk about that much, cuz words get misconstrued and made into something the situation is not.
     
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