Foul out or disqualification

When I started out with these dogs st the close of the last century I was taught that if a dog loses due to the handler being fouled out, the dog can continue on its quest for a GrCh title if the recognised experience dogmen in attendance at the disqualification can attest that in all likelihood the dog would have won had it not been for the handler fouling out.
Was there truth to this?

 

I think Gr Ch Art (lost on a foul) was the only dog that Jack Kelly allowed to keep his Grand Championship title.

 

if that was the case the owner of a GRCH who was losing could foul out on purpose just to keep the title on their dog ,

 

By sdj titles have been w/l by foul in its history. Pretty sure other magazines had their own sets of rules.

 

I understand that and thought of that back then, as explained to me back then, the dog whose handler was disqualified must be believed to have been the likely winner, according to recognised reputable dogmen in attendance , if the match continued without the disqualification.
I'm not arguing either for it or against but trying to establish if any of the old dogmen knew of such a stipulation. If a dog is having its ass kicked and its handler deliberately fouls out those in attendance would state so and it will not help its attempt to attain a GrCh title later or retain it's current GrCh title.
But I see how it can be manipulated like most rules

 

I can't see how since you never really know who is going to actually win or loose until it's all finished. How many dogs have quit on top or stood the line when they were ahead? Tons.

I can't see being like yeah, that one there is going to win for sure when it is still going on. With the exception of those ones hollering and screaming when bit and pissing themselves in the box, you never really know until it's done and over. Even with them you really don't know. Plenty of dogs who looked to be the down dog ended up wining the match. Just as many look like they are going to win just to stop or get a bad bleeder etc etc.

It ain't over till it's over IMO. Interesting topic though.

 

IMO, to me, a loss is a loss and a win is a win and anything else is just an excuse. Lol

 

Nothing gets under my skin more than needing to explain what S2w is to so called dogmen. Other than why courtesy of a winner is about the dumbest thing lmfao

 

In theory because never broke a law. I'd turn down every scratch to continue and force the outcome lol. Now by Cajun rules once out of holds are granted this now begins S2w. The problem is that you got these folks thinking S2W is a courtesy scratch made by the wining side.

 

By the very term courtesy itself it should be obvious that it's a courtesy granted on request. It has never had an influence on the already established result. But it's TRUE you see guys argue it like it now changes an outcome. Scratch to win is contentious as guys have argued after losing in an agreed on straight cajun show that they agreed on scratch to win. Serious sour grapes and bad losers .
I've allowed scratch to continue once and then swore never again because the opponent took it as an opportunity to delay conceding on a dog that had no way back and only was gonna get killed. I've never asked for scratch to continue or offered scratch to win. If my dog is still scratching and I can see that continuing will possibly result in its death or I feel its given it's best and it's not coming back to win I concede. I'm an easy spot in that way. I will ask for the courtesy for my dog after conceding occasionally but if it's so badly hurt my first priority is starting aftercare immediately.

 

Mash we could definitely be friends lol

 

Ben I'm honoured you see that as a possibility, in my part of the world, I was not amongst the recognised best that played back then, hell even though I won some against them I lost more than I won into them. I was friends to most but avoided those who sought public recognition in an illegal game.
Turned down numerous invites to see the regions top ones get shown simply because I believed if I'm not showing, being a second or being the ref I had no business there.
Always learning by asking and listening. Refuse to share wrong info just to be relevant in the breed. A simple fancier of the breed that has made good friends because of the breed and learnt life lessons (good and bad)from the game.
I still have contacts close to the game and source my dogs from trusted guys. Just enjoy them with no bogus claims around what they can do because of their peds or their siblings achievements.
I do believe you and I could be friends.

 

Nice thread gents

 

I wish I could be Pat Jr friend but he has the NAS Virus

 

No worse than catching aids like you....