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Garner's Santos..frozen sperm offa spike..?

Discussion in 'Breeder Discussion' started by bullandterr, Jun 18, 2010.

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  1. bullandterr

    bullandterr Big Dog

    yeah i realize i might be stirring a lil controversy askin this question but out of curiosity, and given my growing interest in the spike dog would you say santos was actually off of spike? is there any controversy considering santos and other dogs apparently bred off of spike through frozen sperm? would you trust em or is it dodgy territory?
  2. Every year that semen is stored it loses a percentage of its genetic make-up. Different scientists will give you a different percentage but it's decided somewhere between 3-8%. How long has Spikes sperm been frozen? Semen collection and storage was developed to A.I dogs that were in different parts of the country and world, to save the stress of traveling and or shipping the dogs. Not to breed dogs that have been dead for 10-15 years. T.G is a business man and does whats good for bussiness.
  3. bullandterr

    bullandterr Big Dog

    had a feeling, thanks for the info GreatEx
  4. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    I have some pups off Sluggo (Santos littermate) i have them ADBA registered, at first the ADBA wanted the DNA profile of Spike since its their policy to register dogs off frozen semen, but since Tom Garner doesnt provide DNA he sent other documents and proofs this breeding happened. The ADBA accepted them.

    As far as i know, the collection was made in 1989 and the bitch (Miss Mouth) was shipped to the veterinarian clinic in Houston, i think in 2006, breed and sent back.

    PD: You can see some pics on my gallery.
  5. budboy88

    budboy88 CH Dog

    i bet :rolleyes:
  6. Pirbul

    Pirbul CH Dog

    Well, you can believe what you want. I wont give details on the proofs, but that breeding was done by veterinarians not the man himself. So i guess its pretty easy to know if its fake or it really happened.
  7. mac 11

    mac 11 Banned

    It loses some of its genetic make up? What your saying is that the DNA in the semen is evaporating? It's potency maybe but the DNA properties never leave, the only thing you have to worry about with frozen semen is making sure it is handle correctly and keeping the semen alive. You never lose any genes in the process.
  8. kayo45

    kayo45 Top Dog

    Quick question and a bit off topic. Will the ADBA allow registry now with dogs down from Frisco? I know I heard they didn't a while ago(Few years back) that they didn't but I have seen alot lately that people are dual-registering their dogs from Garner with Frisco in the ped
  9. Anyone interested I have frozen semen from Dibo, Bolio, Eli, and an overstock of Nigerino just let me know what you are looking for. Also have some from many others. This is why my wife wants her own handle by the way.
  10. budboy88

    budboy88 CH Dog

    quit cutting in on my bussiness, I will be running a 2 for 1 special on Colby's Pincher also available Jeep, Midnight Cowboy, Rascal, and Red Boy
  11. Yardboy

    Yardboy CH Dog

    No shit. We've all seen what they'll register these days. The question the OP should be asking is "Is Santos a BULLDOG?" and "is he producing BULLDOGS?"
  12. Yardboy

    Yardboy CH Dog

  13. Caos

    Caos CH Dog're a great dogman tell me for me and for the folks what did you produce cause for your words about TG you must be a great dogman and have a yard full of good producers don't?
  14. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    for what I heard not from TG yes Santos is a 100%bulldog!
  15. No, Im not saying the DNA evaporates. I'm saying a percentage of the genetic make-up is lost. Do the research, it's science. There is a lot more to it than handling and storage. Do you actually believe that a dog born off frozen semen stored over twenty years will have the same exact genetic make up as if that dog was bred directly from that dog today? It's simple science and simply why people refuse to give DNA samples.
  16. Yardboy

    Yardboy CH Dog

    That's all that really matters......
  17. Caos, first use some commas so that I can understand what you write. And second some would say I'm a great dogman, I'm honest and take great care of my dogs! On the other hand I might not be a dogman at all seeing that I don't test dogs. It's all about what you concider a dogman. I have nothing against Tom I spoke to him three days ago about breeding my best bitch to Lil Frank. Oh, and yes I have a few GREAT producers as well, I also give my damn dogs away and don't make a dime on them, ask anyone on here! One more thing, I would have a yard FULL of great producers if I made 18 breedings a year like some people.
  18. >BLAZE<

    >BLAZE< Big Dog

    Semen doesn't lose a percentage of genetic make-up. It loses a percentage of motility, which would result in a smaller litter size...but in most cases it will still have a %70 motility rate.
  19. Caos

    Caos CH Dog

    well if they refuse to give a DNA samples in the past now they have great reason for don't give you don't ask my question about your dogs but okay for your silence I know don't worry.:D
  20. Man if I understood what the fuck you were saying I might respond. Ask clearly and I will answer anything you have to ask."have great reason for don't give you don't ask my question" WHAT?
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