Garner's Santos..frozen sperm offa spike..?

So you dont trust a man on a breeding he made, but you trust him to breed "your best bitch" to another stud of his propierty.

That doesnt make any sense to me my friend, if you think about it... the Spike x Miss Mouth breeding is more realiable than other breeding TG did (if you dont trust him) because it was done by veterinarians, with proofs on semen storage, progesterone tests, insemination and all the process.. unless Tom did faked all those too lol.

Too much no sense hating on here, i understand any person would have doubts about this kind of breeding because its not usual and there are people always starting controversy about everything done by TG.

But dont you think the ADBA had some evidence of this breeding happening and being real before accepting to register them? Its not like Tom and ADBA are the best friends in the dog world, remember Tom started his own registry.

 

Sorry pirbull, the ADBA will register anything with four legs, two ears, two eyes, a mouth, and a tail. Just look at all the bullshit RE, greyline, condra,bullshit with papers out there. Which is exactly why TG started his own registry. Now as far as hating on him, I ain't going there, but I ain't gonna act like he's Jesus Christ and walks on water either. A good point was made, he's a business man who sticks dogs together for a living. And yes, out of 15 to 25 litters a year I'd fucking hope a few good bulldogs would surface from that but there's also a whole lot of bullshit that comes out of it too and for $900 a pup, that's just ridiculous. What did he really do with chinaman or spike except breed the balls off of them and make a killing at it. I've been to his yard and I've been in his house and I saw a whole lot of pretty dogs who were clean as a whistle. Even petted my males momma on the head. Not a mark one. I understand why, but I prefer my mutts parents to at least be checked.

 

Same thing I was thinking...

 

Why did you buy the pup, if you have a problem with his breeding practices?

 

Ok, here goes the whole fucking story. Got my first bulldog from TG out of Otto x Miss Hickory. Bitch was 6 months old. Had her flown in. When I got her home she was so scared she wouldn't come out of the crate. She showed teeth when I tried to pet her. I was very careful and spent hours upon hours working with this bitch. Everytime she came in the house she ran forthe couch and would not move from it. When on the chain she was very aggressive toward people. I called him and asked for advice and help several times. One day while trying to put a walking harness on her, she bit my wrist. I should have shot the bitch on the spot but she did it out of fear so I thought I could work that out. Then one day I was on the phone with my wife and she was going to the kennel to feed the dog. The bitch charged the door in an all out attack mode. So I called him again. Be said bring her back and pick out another. So I decided to go with an inbred little frank pup. I was told that out of 12 pups in the pen, the only tan dog wasthe only male. So I grabbed a black dog intending on getting a female. I never checked because he said the tan pup was the only male. I got all the way to Charleston, WV before I noticed the pup I got was a black male. Had to call him and correct him and the paper work. Two days later I took the pup to the vet and the vet said the dog had suffered a broken leg at some point. So I'm pissed at this point. Then to top it all off, when I got my papers, the papers showed my pups momma being a daughter of little frank when really she was his littermate sister snowball. I had to correct that too. My point is he did t even know what his pups were. He had a Mexican guy there taking care of the yard, I would have done better off to ask him. And the pup I have now is a year old and he's a good dog but hasn't shown one sign of what I'm really looking for so I'm giving him to an experienced friend in hopes that he can make something out of him. So to answer your question, the reason I still got him is cause I fell into a business man's sales pitch, got a fear driven man biter and had to trade her for............man just reread the shit, I got no reason to make anything up. So not to hate on the man or his accomplishments but my personal experiences with him fucking sucked........never again, I paid my dues on that one.

 

Is Frank off Spike? No, I spoke on the Spike breeding, no other correct? I don't believe the Spike breeding and never will, just as I wouldn't own anything down or off of Frisco just as I told T.G. I like what I like and that is the bottom line, as it's clear you are a Chinaman fan and I'm a fan of any line and any good dog. Also you are correct it's not usual to have frozen semen off a dog from over 20 years ago, hell why don't he have any off Chinaman? Also controversy sales Blaze, bottom line that is half the reason he is so popular, because of posts like these lol.

 

Its unfortunate you had a bad experience with your first pup...I recommend going to pick out a pup yourself, anytime you are dealing with someone you don't know personally.

In regards to the new pup you have. What signs are you looking for in a one year old dog? Give him time to mature. Then and only then can you make a fair assessment of his personality.

I've had both good and bad experiences with TG, but I think he does try to produce good examples of the breed and do right by the people he sells pups to.

 

I agree with you,post like this do make him more popular. Any publicity is good publicity.

But my point was: Why do you believe the Frank White breeding is accurate and not the Spike breeding? They were both done by the same man and I'm assuming you didnt see either take place.

 

well for you talk crap about TG you must be a great dogman and give a big contribuiton to the gamedog world right? I just ask what you produce or have in your yard web dogman.

 

I believe he trys his best to make people satisfied too. He didn't have to trade me out. And I did go pick out my second time around. With the 1 year old, I'm well aware that is too young to tell a whole lot, but I got a bitch at home who is all fire at 10 months. It ain't like I'm writing him off all together, just putting him where he'll have someone more experienced and a better eye. As far as TG goes, I'm not sayin he don't breed good dogs, but all of them ain't good and if other people had the resources to put 100 dogs on the ground every year, they would have produced a few good ones and made a name for themselves too.

 

You seems to not get my point, and the no sense continues with every word you say. You like what you like, fine, but you dont trust the man behind so he could use any dog but Little Frank, just like he did with the Spike x Miss Mouth right? So thats my point. You'll never know!

If you talked 3 days ago with Tom, ask him about the Chinaman question, or just do a little research and maybe you'll know why he didnt collect any semen.

Yardboy, i understand why you are pissed because my dog came shy as well from him, he never showed an aggro attitude but doesnt like strangers to come and pet him, he's 3 and half and has improved alot but i really know how you feel. Thats the reason i imported a pregnant bitch and raised the pups myself.

However you are mixing up things on here. You guys live in USA and probably know better than me the witch hunt every big name is having... so that would answer many questions on the dogs on his yard, and another different thing is a bad customer experience...

Im no fanboy to be honest, i was just giving my opinion based on my experience and common sense. My point is made and im not trying to convince anyone on here either.

 

Lets talk about the web dogman comment first. I'm 28 and have had a computer for just over a year now and have to get my wife to show me everyday how to use it. If I was a "web dogman" I would be selling my dogs on the web like others, not giving them away. If you would like to give me a call I will let you know what I have produced and what they are doing. And for the other comment about talking crap about your hero T.G. you might want to go back and read, I have said everything to him that I have wrote on here. Not to mention I have not said one negative thing about him other than I don't believe the Spike breeding. Does that hurt your feeling because he didn't seems to give a darn.

 

Your right Blaze I didn't see either take place, I just trust my instincts.

 

"You seems to not get my point" lol no I don't. Pirbul it's clear you never used a stud from anyone! Clowns, I swear to God!

 

okay I have a question and maybe it will make some since in the same. It seems to me that if you're having doubts about tg's breeding program then what you should do is take a proven bitch of your pick to his yard and watch the breeding take place yourself and keep all or as many of the puppies as you can. Thats just my take on it. I personally believe anything can click but people nowadays get caught up in the hype and breed what they heard works. So what if Dynomite isnt a frisco dog or is part frisco, so what if el negro is still producing at 13 years old, so what if he's breeding some other dog in the place of el negro and still selling them under el negro. This is how you eliminate that. First thing is you shouldnt go by the paperwork. You should go by the dog. I wouldnt breed to tg or anyone else if i didnt know what the dog did for myself or had someone that i trust to vouch for it. I know some people who saw Dynomite dance. I know someone who saw El Negro dance twice. So then it goes to okay what do i need to add to my proven bitch and do either one of these dogs have that to compliment my bitch. Its that simple. You know dynomite when you seem him and you know el negro when you see him. If youve seen different pictures other than the ones he has on his site. I would only breed to the 2 dogs only because i know their legit. Oh and bobby peru and i just recently found out about him and someone saw him. Build bridges network off the internet and you'll find what you're looking for if you cant then you're obviously hanging around the wrong crowd full of other people who are as in the dark as you are about the same things. I can say I dont know it all but what i dont know the guys i mess with one of them will know and vice versa. Ive seen some dogs dance that others havent and they asked me for my opinion and went on to follow it. Now the only thing after all that being said is Im not sure if you bring your bitch to his yard if he'll let you watch the breeding if he doesnt do that then yea somethings definitely fishy. Every man would love to see his bitch get stuck with his own eyes if he could and in this cause with all the controversy if you cant afford to fly or drive you and her there then it aint your time. As for the frozen semen, yea, ill agree and say that adba and tom arent friends so for them to recognize it that should kill some speculation. You all have to remember that this man has money and has it in more than just dogs for those of you who actually know a little more about him than dogs. If he gave his whole yard up he'd still be well off in his other business ventures. This to him is just an expensive hobby he loves which in turn brings great money. If I could fish all day everyday and make millions would I not do it? Hell yea I would. Its just the bigger you are in anything the more speculations are gonna be around you. Its like the pastors of mega churches. You hear more about there personal life and negative stuff than you would about the pastor of a congregation of 100. Its not just in dogs people its in life.

 

for sure you produce nothing,zero I'm 37old bred dogs since 93 boy and if you don't believe don't start that shit here keep from you TG are give a fuck for what you think or believe let the man do his work and I tell again you're a cyber dogman only that...Peace!

 

"okay I have a question and maybe it will make some since in the same. It seems to me that if you're having doubts about tg's breeding program then what you should do is take a proven bitch of your pick to his yard and watch the breeding take place yourself and keep all or as many of the puppies as you can." GAME that is exactly what I was going to do, does anyone think I was going to sell ANY pups off my best old bitch?

 

Caos, I know men that have been in dogs over 25 years and still don't know a DAMN THING! Call for an address, no internet dogman here!

 

Nah great expectations. Im not disagreeing i was just stating that in general i wouldnt object to you taking her and keeping as many as you can. I didnt read all your post but in your case yea i will say this the adba doesnt recognize the frozen semen off of frisco but do off of spike so why not go with it. Do what you feel is best and at the end of the day hell the man is breeding bulldogs so worst case scenario you'll get at the least one good one thats if your bitch is producing as well though

 

yeah its that simple, just load up a yard full of dogs and you'll own the ROM list, no problem

you have everything figured out, how about picking up your phone and calling him and letting him know how you feel

if he charged you 900, thats his newbie prices by the way, lol

some big internet ballz you have