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Hisotry of EBT's and Staffordshire bull terrier verus Pit bulls in the pit

Discussion in 'SBT History' started by rooster, Dec 22, 2008.

  1. bandog billy

    bandog billy Big Dog

    cheers bud
     
  2. lassie

    lassie Pup

    Hey mate, just curious if u ever seen a staff u actually rated? Did u rate duke and sinbad or are they just myth?
     
  3. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    lassie , DUKE was ok but I seen APBTs a lot better....know nothing about Sinbad...Iv seen plenty of good SBT but I don't (as a breed) rate as near as good as APBT...in all compartments...APBTs in my opinion are gamer , better winded , better ability (due to their physique) can bite harder for longer (due to better wind )..easier to condition...they have been bred for hundreds of years for this...SBT are show dogs...since the 1930s
     
  4. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    The very first chapter in the first posting is wrong in that its claimed the English Bull blood in CH Phycho came through the Lance dog ? and the stafoord blood came through North Star , this is totally wrong the dog Norh Star was bred by my friend Ton Haughey who at the time lived in North St in Lurgan , hence the prefix North or Northern . Tom bred his bitch Rowdy a English Bull x Stafford to the great working dog Kilwickie Lad who was also a English Bull x Stafford owned by the Creameys of Lurgan . The bitch whelped only two pups both males , one North Star was retained by Tom Haughey the other a black brindle male was given to Jerry McIntyre brother of Jerome Mc Intyre , this dog was called Blunders Lad , both these dogs were superior badger dogs in the early to late sixties . As for Joe Mallen it was he and Boylan and others that brought about the downfall of the breed by demanding KC registration and staring the ball rolling very fast Downhill They are seen as heroes of the breed when in fact they ruined it , they bred from dogs that WERE NOT game and bred for looks and confirmation NOT Gameness and were the first Dealers in the breed that bred solely for profit
     
  5. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

  6. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    I had never seen the full pedigree for CH Phycho and thanks for posting it R , i never knew the dogs of my old friend Gerald Crotty featured so heavily in the back of the pedigree , i knew Gerald well and he loved his gamedogs and pidgeons , Tom Haughey first told me about his Sam dog saying he was a very game dog and how he had used the dog in the sixties . When i met Gerald he had dogs from Billy Rickard (CUILEOG) and they were outstanding working dogs , all his sons were also dedicated dogmen with Willie in particular owning a outstanding red/white dog bred from Cuileog breeding that was a outstanding worker . IN his prime as a young man Gerald Crotty according to Christy Mc Carthy and Billy Rickard was a fearsome fist fighter known throughout the South and Christy once told myself and Seamus Mc Nutt that Gerald was the only man he knew was as game as his dogs lol I do know he had a wealth of knowledge about the gamedogs of old and could certainly tell you a story , he was a very intresting entertaining man and always a gentleman .
     
  7. lassie

    lassie Pup

    In u 2 boys opinion name the best game staff u ever came accross, pics would b good.
     
  8. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

  9. lassie

    lassie Pup

    How does he compare to pitts? Why was he never matched?
     
  10. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    compared to average APBT he was ok...his owner never matched any dogs
     
  11. lassie

    lassie Pup

    So the gulf in ability is a fair bit by the sounds of things., I don't understand why there's such a big difference between a dead game athletic staff and an apbt.
     
  12. jacko

    jacko CH Dog

    i s"pose if you want to win money n fame go with a top flight apbt.
    not many apbt reach top flight status and fewer sbt. but a game dog is a game dog regardless of breed.
    and afterall the matching of dogs is a game test is it not ?
     
  13. 3596

    3596 Pup

    rickyB were there any staffs or terrier type strains that were in competition from the north of england,eg the walsall dogs,darlston etc.i read in plummers book on fell terriers that they crossed some earth terriers with a fighting strain of bulldog from northumberland,to bring up the courage,are there any old type strains of bulldog/staffs apart from the irish version,or are the irish type actually these old strain of staff originaly from the midlands.cheers.
     
  14. OnTheRocks

    OnTheRocks Moderator

    Amazing, I have seen articles probably 20 years old where you run down the Psycho blood, calling them mixed and various other things. Yet you have never had the knowledge of Psychos full pedigree until now?
     
  15. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    I have never run down CH Phycho and have just read EVERY article i EVER wrote as i keep copies of EVERYTHING i write and EVERY letter i EVER wrote or received , this way when some one like you comes out with a statement like this im able to check , its the same when someone says that i told them this or i have said that , all i have to do is check my records , its the same with pedigrees and breedings i made , i know were every single puppy i EVER bred or came out of MY dogs went from birth to death . The only thing i have said about CH Phycho was that he WASNT a pure Stafford and had Bull Terrier blood which is a BIG fault in any gamedog , it dont mean he was a bad dog or that CH Stormer or Irish Jack was a bad dog only that Bull Blood is CUR blood and bad in any line of gamedogs . I have never had a intrest in CH Phychos pedigree and why would i have ? i knew how he was bred the first three generations but no further and couldnt remember that until RB posted his pedigree , now also i knew Gerald Crotty well and spoke with him hundreds of times about dogs and not once did he ever mention CH Phycho and neither did i , CH Phychos been dead nearly 25 years tell me one dog that TODAY or the last TWENTY years that won a genuine contract match from this line or better still one dog today that has a GENUINE pedigree or is PUREBRED or GAMEBRED without known CURS in its pedigree , once more for you i will state CH Phycho was a fair match dog he won four then lost to a curbred English Bull cross who was a better dog anything ive said about these dogs is TRUTH and FACTS nothing more nothing less , like ive said before look whats on the end of the chains of those who get upset when the TRUTH is told . I know just how it feels to learn the dogs you own are not gamebred or have false pedigrees or are bred from dogs that quit , its happened to me many years ago , howevor i DID NOT try to change the FACTS i simply got rid of the dogs as id sooner not own a dog than to have one with a FALSE pedigree with known CURS and BULL blood in them , but hey thats my choice just like its anothers to own such dogs , but dont try to put any of that shit on me i never bred from the CURS or put false pedigrees on any dogs i owned and certainly never bred BULL blood to any of my dogs , incidently ive already forgotten how CH Phychos bred but do know he has some game CROTTY bred dogs behind him which can only be a plus , also your wrong in saying i wrote about CH Phycho Nearly Twenty years ago i DID NOT .
     
  16. lassie

    lassie Pup

    Jt ways the best staff u ever seen?
     
  17. Dusty Road

    Dusty Road CH Dog

    I don't disagree with J t , has said but I still think he (Psycho) has produced better than any other dog from any other strain of (pure) SBTs...there is dogs with "Psycho" in their pedigree that have won lately...all but mostly APBT blood...this bitch and her sister both are Champions
    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=307092
    But even back in the 1980's he produced better than any single dog from other strains...I only gave 1 stud from him, all other breedings from him ware while owned by the Farmers boys...and he was only with them a year and half before he died
     
  18. OnTheRocks

    OnTheRocks Moderator

    Most of the time JT you come across as being very arrogant. I can name enough winners, and game dogs down from Psycho the last decade, but I won’t do that on this board out of respect to their owners. But just one example of a winner already mentioned on this board is Beanie 3…

    We have already established the fact that there are flaws even in the best APBT blood out there, so certainly there must be flaws in all the Staff bloodlines out there. There are different degrees of curs, just as there are different degrees of gamedogs. Some curs are better than others.

    I have owned direct offspring´s to one of the dogs that you have labeled a cur in your rants. I am not ashamed of that, I have seen what that dog produced. I know the caliber of the grand children and great grandchildren of that dog. Those dogs are proven better than anything you have fed the last decade anyway.

    Must be an awkward feeling though, the new generation of genuine Stafford people, have these so called mixed-curs according to you, none of us has your blood. I have been around what is regarded as one the absolute best Staff in ages. Incidentally he was pure bred even with your standards, and incidentally he had absolutely nothing to do with your blood. All I have ever heard about your dogs is shady stories that I can´t get anyone to verify. I would take these crossbred mutts before the tightest dogs down from your blood any day of the week. Simply because I don’t buy all the stories, should make you happy, since you strongly criticize most people for doing that. I only believe what I see. I am a dogman with working dogs- I am not bothered if some has been is all over the net calling them mixed curs.
     
  19. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    You havent a clue what dogs i kept in the past or the present , you have never spoken with me about any dog i owned past or present but what you have done is gossip about things you have no involvement with . The fact your willing to own dogs that are bred from known curs that wouldnt even fight and had to be pushed into each other then one dog picked up and THROWN on top of the other to make them fight , plus the others that QUIT but were now asked to believe they were deepgame at a later date . Its easy to live in looipop land were curs become legends but here this MTR MODERATOR *(ha ha) these great dogs you talk about behind your dogs i approached all of them with dogs but the excuses were pitiful , this can be varified by a number of wellknown dogmen who appraoched the owners of Jocko , Milo , Judas , Ricky , but these great dogs were NEVER open and thats there owners choice and i respect them for this . Back in the day when the dog game was busy only messers fooled with those Blue dogs they were NEVER used in the core and not one serious dogman owned them , they were peddled by dealers to unsuspecting newcomers who knew no better just like they are today with there FALSE pedigrees and FALSE KC registrations for dogs that are NOT pure Staffords and EVERYONE selling them as such is a LIEING CHEATING CON and ought to be ashamed . So MR MODERATOR you live in fantasy world in the land of LOLLIPOP were CROSSBREEDS become PURE and get KC recognition , RANK CURS are forgotten and the whole concept of how to breed GAMEDOGS is rewritten by the modern day wannabe website neverwas dogmen , now repeat after me BLUUUUE MOOOOON you saw me standing alone BLUUUE MOOOON a crossbred cur of my own BLUUE MOOOOON now enoughs been said they all QUIT thats it TOUGH SHIT
     
  20. jt ellison

    jt ellison Big Dog

    MR MODERATOR seems like your confused ? In a post on this fiorum you give advice on how pedigrees are important and the as you call it and i quote THE FOUNDATION to build upon which i agree is very true in GAMEDOGS as to breed GAMEDOGS you need to start with GAMEDOGS . Now you say and i quote i have owned direct offspring to one of those dogs and i have seen what the dog produced children and grandchildren ? Well MR MODERATOR(ha ha) what happened to your foundations as all builders know bad foundations come back to haunt you and the building falls down , so whats the truth strong honest foundations or take a chance that when the truth comes out just like those dodgy builders youll be long gone when the building falls down , double standards or what make your mind up both post are on this board for all to see perhaps we should call you BOB THE BUILDER from nowon lol
     

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