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Home-made raw diets?

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by Flipside, Mar 11, 2007.

  1. DryCreek

    DryCreek CH Dog

    I've toyed with the thought of raising rabbits, meat birds and rodents, and supplementing with hunted game (deer, moose, wild turkey etc...) for a raw diet menu. Also adding eggs from my laying hens, fish and supplementing with organ meats as well.

    I would feed the whole carcass for the rabbit's, rodent's and bird's and cutting the hunted animals into chunks to feed. Or maybe just dropping a large chunk of carcass from the hunted game into each dogs spot for a gnawing session.

    I have also heard that a day of fasting is good for them as well.

    To make sure the diet is well balanced I would think giving a small serving of quality kibble as well would make sense, as I am not a nutritionist.

    This type of program would be for average maintenance of the animal. A dog that was being prepared for a show would require a more controlled dietary intake.

    I have many acres that I can use to raise whatever meat is necessary for our animals and many hunting spots on it as well. But without more extensive knowledge on dietary requirements I think that adding the quality kibble would help keep them nutritionally balanced.

    Obviously more investigation is needed before I start anything of the sort but if it's healthy for them and I can do it, it makes sense to me.
     
  2. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    I feed raw (Meat & veggies) in a keep and use kibble (Canidae) as a filler.

    As for meats I feed raw chicken quarters, beef chunks, chicken gizzards, raw green tripe and sardines.

    When I speak of veggies I am talking about "root veggies" such as carrots, parsnips, yams and sweet potatoes. I only feed spinach for greens! I boil all veggies diced in a stock pot and also serve the water the veggies where boiled in also! The veggies must be cooked first before a dog can ever process them.

    I believe a dog does need veggies if you are going to feed a natural diet as there are certain vitamins and minerals that they cannot get from meat alone and it is a source of carbs!

    Raw Green Tripe is a must for a raw diet as the benefits are outstanding!

    After switching to a raw feed you notice the diffence immediately.....way less stool volume, dogs naturally lean out, energy levels goes way up and they look healthy (eyes, coat and teeth).
     
  3. Sid Finster

    Sid Finster Big Dog

    I forgot to mention tripe. Yes, raw, green tripe, cattle or sheep. Also things like chicken stomachs and goose and rabbit stomachs.

    Dogs like.
     
  4. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    I feed raw (Meat & veggies) in a keep and use kibble (Canidae) as a filler.
    So you don’t believe mixing totally screws up the balance of the kibble? Just take the meat for instance, contains lots of phosphorous and no calcium is that not disturbing the balance of the diet? Does it not lower the protein and other percentages, all the while raising others with such additions to the kibble?

    I believe a dog does need veggies if you are going to feed a natural diet as there are certain vitamins and minerals that they cannot get from meat alone and it is a source of carbs!<O:p</O:p
    I completely disagree that they need veggies in a RAW diet if done correctly. The keys words there are obviously “done correctly”. Dogs have no dietary requirements for carbohydrates at all. They can make all the glucose they need from its precursors, glycerol (from fats), amino acids (from proteins). Give them the protein and fat they need, and the micronutrients such as vitamins, minerals, etc.

    Raw Green Tripe is a must for a raw diet as the benefits are outstanding!
    Why is it a must? Curious to know...should one seek paunch or honeybunch tripe? Is one better than the other, more nutrient dense, etc?


    After switching to a raw feed you notice the diffence immediately.....way less stool volume, dogs naturally lean out, energy levels goes way up and they look healthy (eyes, coat and teeth).
    Could it be the added fat content? Maybe less stool volume is simply because you’re feeding less and that’s 70-80% water? Would that by itself not “naturally lean out” a dog? Increased energy simply because they have less fillers in the diet, eating less, actually being worked, etc?
     
  5. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    LOL...never had a problem with unbalancing the kibble as I could care less, more concerned about ruining the raw feed! I don't depend on the kibble as my base for my feed.
    This feed was given to me be a very well know successful dogman and it has worked for him and it has worked for me.

    Concerning the veggies...as long as they are natural I don't mind giving them to my dogs and never had a problem with feeding cooked veggies at all!
    I believe root veggies supply the dogs with good natural amounts of vitamins and minerals like Vit K. You say dogs have no need for carbs then why do you pay for and feed kibble?

    I get my raw green tripe from the butcher.....not the grocery store one that bleached and lost its nutritional value! Do you own research and you will know its benefits.

    As the results I see on my dogs when fed "RAW".....
    yes it could be the added fat content given to them fresh with its feed!
    And "YES" there energy does go up cause of "NO FILLERS" compared to whats in a bag of kibble. Even high end natural feed have preservatives.....ever leave stool lying around the chain spots? They state "no preservatives" on the bag, then how come it does not rot? Whats so natural about it!

    To each his own on feeding your dogs.....you don't pay for my feed and I don't pay for yours!

    When you put a dog through preparation do you feed straight kibble or add anything too it?

    YIS
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 14, 2007
  6. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    LOL...never had a problem with unbalancing the kibble as I could care less, more concerned about ruining the raw feed! I don't depend on the kibble as my base for my feed.
    Never said you or anyone else did, simply asking a few questions much like you did with the original post. I’d venture to say your RAW is what’s ruining the kibble? There are huge nutrient value differences between grain-feed livestock and grass/pasture/wild ungulates and it’s even greater differences if talking poultry.
    <O:p</O:p
    This feed was given to me be a very well know successful dogman and it has worked for him and it has worked for me.
    Great that a successful dogmen gave you a keep feed. But that means what in reality given we can easily state Diamond and Purina have more wins in the game than any other diet…does that mean they’re “great kibbles or keep foods”? Does it mean anything when talking about said topic on a message board? Though curious since it sounds like you’ve got the greatest feed…why you’d be asking for recipes from others?
    <O:p</O:p
    You say dogs have no need for carbs then why do you pay for and feed kibble?
    It’s not that “I” say it-it’s factual! What do the veggies provide that tripe doesn’t nutrient wise? I feed kibble for my own convenience-period!

    I get my raw green tripe from the butcher.....not the grocery store one that bleached and lost its nutritional value! Do you own research and you will know its benefits.<O:p</O:p
    I’ve done tad-bit of research on it, both the paunch and honeycomb are “green” tripes and “green” simply means the contents were removed and had a rinse. You were the one that asked questions, and then stated you’ve done research but when you get asked questions you simply say; “do your own research”? So can we assume you’re just going with what you’ve been “told” and actually have no clue why you’re doing such? After all one would think being you frequent a 100 or so message boards…you’d actually want to talk about dogs, nutrition, possibly share some of your knowledge, etc. Not like having a discussion on a thread you started is going to give everyone on the internet a “great advantage” if ever looking across from you. Even more doubtful if saying paunch or honeycomb is better…because X, Y, Z.

    As the results I see on my dogs when fed "RAW".....
    yes it could be the added fat content given to them fresh with its feed!
    And "YES" there energy does go up cause of "NO FILLERS" compared to whats in a bag of kibble.

    Pendulum effect-not RAW!
    <O:p</O:p
    Whats so natural about it!
    Could not the same thing be said about the produce we eat, the RAW you’re feeding your dogs, etc?

    When you put a dog through preparation do you feed straight kibble or add anything too it?<O:p</O:p
    I adjust it to fit the dogs need and climate it will be working in as well as their style/traits. Much like a “keep” one wouldn’t/shouldn’t condition a barnstorming dog the same as a soft mouth super game dog. Doing so would be as stupid as someone starting their keep diet the same time they start their keep! But a balanced kibble will always be better than a hodgepodge of thrown together items.
     
  7. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    Damn.....you did the CA JACK on me! LOL

    Glad you noticed the boards I frequent....you must do the same.

    I asked the original question to see how others were feeding there raw diets daily.....the raw and kibble is what I feed in a keep.

    YIS
     
  8. Texasbulldogs

    Texasbulldogs Top Dog

    Glad you noticed the boards I frequent....you must do the same.
    No, it was simple on the Network 54 board that I used to visit you used to ask question on "which dog food" and sorts, the two I've visited the last few years you also frequent. Odds of them being your only ones...slim to none.

    I asked the original question to see how others were feeding there raw diets daily.....the raw and kibble is what I feed in a keep.
    So in other words wanted others to share their recipe and knowledge with you while you shared absolutely nothing? Typcial! Obviously you've done zero research, have no clue why you feed whatever you feed, or simply are a leech. As you want others to give you information all the while you give nothing. Guess no running off saying what a great diet you have on other boards for you? Damn the luck-maybe next week!
     
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  9. short1

    short1 Big Dog

    not to but in but I just bought some green tripe and it still contains the intestial contents is the food in the first or second stage of digestion maybe even the third who nows IM totally confused is it fully digested ? I thought its the intestinal tract not the stomach or is it the stomach ?
     
  10. D'dizzle

    D'dizzle Big Dog

    I don't mean to interrupt anything but since you all talking about raw diets I have a couple questions. I am currently feeding Diamond kibble, and every once and a while I will add a chopped up chicken breast w/o the bone (as I hear chicken bones are not good for dogs.), a little raw hamburger or an egg. Is that ok? I wanted to know if raw deer meat is ok for them also as I have plenty of that. I have a 8 month old pup that I had given a cooked pork chop bone to, it seemed like she just inhaled it I'm not sure how well she chewed it up. I wouldn't mind trying to feed a raw diet but as you see I have a whole lot to learn. Once again sorry for the interruption. Thanks in advance
     
  11. Bobby Rooster

    Bobby Rooster CH Dog

    Cooked chicken bones can be bad because they could splinter in the dogs thought. but uncooked is bones are fine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Hfy4ccJu8

    The chicken was dead before it was fed
     
  12. D'dizzle

    D'dizzle Big Dog

    Ok, thanks for the info. If anyone else has any info, I would appreciate it.
     
  13. cheekymunkee

    cheekymunkee Top Dog

    That is all fine. Deer meat should be frozen for a few weeks to kill any parasites it may have. My dogs LOVE deer meat. And do NOT give ANY cooked bones of any kind. They all splinter. Raw bones ( even chicken) are fine to give however and are a part of the diet.
     
  14. D'dizzle

    D'dizzle Big Dog

    I have been reading for almost 2 hours on BARF diets. I see most people say it's ok to feed thighs and quarters of a chicken. I just split a raw breast between two of my dogs, I hope that was ok? Also, does anyone know where I can buy bully sticks, as I hear that is a good bone to give as a treat?
     
  15. dunlap

    dunlap Big Dog

    If your looking for a bone that will last you... Check around with some of the people in your area that has cattle. My brother lives on a ranch and when a cow dies or has to be shot for any reason, I wait until they dry up and I get the big ol' leg bones. I scrub them up with soap and water and then let em sit for a little while longer to get sun bleached. Then they can have one and it seems like they last forever...
     
  16. Bobby Rooster

    Bobby Rooster CH Dog

    I don't know where you live but when a cow dies the ppl come pick it up in that big ass truck and take it away. Same with horses. I don't know of very maney ppl that would just let a 2000lbs dead cow just sit there and rot for a month
     
  17. cheekymunkee

    cheekymunkee Top Dog

    petco has bully sticks but ebay is cheaper
     
  18. dunlap

    dunlap Big Dog

    Well here when a cow dies it is drug out to the back of the pasture and left there for the buzzards and cayotes to eat." thats when you shoot the bastards ;) " My brother lives on 300 acres and thats where he puts em'. I guess you aint from the country...
     
  19. D'dizzle

    D'dizzle Big Dog

    Red Cocaine
    I don't know where you live but when a cow dies the ppl come pick it up in that big ass truck and take it away. Same with horses. I don't know of very maney ppl that would just let a 2000lbs dead cow just sit there and rot for a month

    Not quite the answer I was looking for, but thanks for trying. I guess I did put myself out there.


    Thanks for the info.
     
  20. D'dizzle, first, change kibble feed. Much better quality kibble can be bought at the same or lower cost to you. You can search this sub-forum for all the information you will need to go out and purchase the best kibble available to you.

    In regards to your supplemental feed, like others have said, a raw bone is fine unless the dog does not chew. An egg is fine and healthy for the dog. Make it fun for him. Let him crack the egg in his bowl. It is fun to watch them "think" it over for a second.

    For your pup, you MUST watch to see that he chews it properly. If you feel he is swallowing big pieces, i suggest you feed frozen chicken quarters (just remove the ice from the outside).

    I would suggest you take your time with going "RAW". Why let the fever catch you? Are your dogs dying from the low quality kibble? Most likely not but you can do better. Rather than seek to complicate things, simplify! Get a better kibble. You want to learn something for the here and now? Learn to read a bag of kibble.

    Regards,

    Rocky H.
     

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