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Interview with War Eagle Kennels Harry Hargrove

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by AGK, Sep 12, 2014.

  1. Robertosilva

    Robertosilva CH Dog

  2. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

  3. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [186202] :: HARGROVE'S CAIN

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [529519] :: <FONT COLOR=BLUE>CAROLINA POSSE'S CH SINNER
    I asked the old man about blue dogs and he stated whiskey was the only good blue dog he ever seen

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56382] :: HARGROVE'S CRIP IX
    hh sent crip to be bred to her brother grand champion snaps and they never returned her,,,
    shame on you!!!

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [226189] :: HARGROVES' CHIP
    an effort to get some charlie blood as he regreted not breeding to both charlie and outlaw
    and later sought some out...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [539689] :: D&D KENNEL'S ALEX


    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [25699] :: WILDSIDE'S MISS RUFUS
    lost game to the cottinghams

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [40121] :: WATSON'S VIPER (3XW)
    viper was a badder bitch than sadie

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [82972] :: <B>COTTONMOUTH & HARGROVE'S DEXTER
    hhs nephew went by cottonmouth kennels and had some nice bred dogs that they wrer partners on,,,
    hh came home one day to find all of the best dogs stolen by his very blood

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [303337] :: HOLT'S WILDMAN

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [163751] :: <B>CAROLINA HOT BOYZ EEDY THE GREAT
    hh treated chb oshae like a son,,, but when oshae got in troubles,,, he rolled over on his mentor HH

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [511962] :: PEARSALL HAZEL

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [32384] :: BDK'S TONKA BOY

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [134512] :: <FONT COLOR=GREEN><B>BLACK DRAGON'S BUSTA 2W</B></FONT>

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [238022] :: TOPSIDE'S IKE 1XW

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [142211] :: LABORER'S BLACK CAT

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [31612] :: HARGROVES SLIM JIM

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [258] :: <B>HARGROVE'S SPANKY (2XW)

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [32224] :: BDK'S JAWS

    you like peds??? I like Peds... I also like the man behind these diverse peds...
     
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  4. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Charlie X Miss Willie!!!! What A breeding!!! I wish I would have been............
     
  5. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [25699] :: WILDSIDE'S MISS RUFUS

    correction about miss rufus,,, the cottinghams campaigned her...

    she beat two good dogs and lost very game to norman kemmers team,,,
    this battle was lost to a bad judgement and vaginal infection,,,
    but with hh and nk as compitition,,, the cottinghams carried the baton as being some of the best of the next generation...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [34798] :: BALIEL'S CRISSY

    miss rufus was a very game inbred rufus daughter,,,
    her dam crissy was awarded gamest in show in her hour twenty three loss to...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [12485] :: PAYNES SLINKY

    in miss rufus you have two game daughters of rufus,,,
    she was bred to my favorite son of chinaman whom also defeated the eli odds
    in going into a almost four hour draw into a redboy dog,,,
    you expect that with the redboy dog,,, but an eli dog???

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [3570] :: COTTINGHAM'S COTTON

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [14745] :: BLUE GRASS KENNELS' WRANGLER (3XW-1XD)

    wildside overlooked miss rufus as she didnt fit in their breeding program,,,
    I would have took half miss rufus over two tiger lils,,,lol...

    I wish I could have got one off cotton to miss rufus,,, a dream eli breeding...

    ch cottons bottem off palidin to black betty was great breeding that carried
    strong into the next generations...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [182496] :: <B>CH GENE'S WILD THING (3XW, 1XLG)

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [9708] :: TRISTANI'S LAURIE

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [9709] :: VALOP'S PARTY

    these fine syblings are a flip flop of the pedigree with the chinaman on the bottom...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [34160] :: REBEL'S STEPHANO

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [429297] :: BREWERS (GARNER'S) SPIKE ROM

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [429297] :: BREWERS (GARNER'S) SPIKE ROM
    none of this has much to do with hh besides he lost to spike with a son of bo...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1141] :: MALIK'S IBM

    a big IBM advocate,,, dont have a sibling in the ped from palidin ex BB breeding,,, but rather a son bred to a daughter for IBMs mother,,, lol...

    The Rufus line,,, the Paladin line and the Chinaman line are eli bred dog,,,
    all three lines are known to have rank curs,,,
    but these seem to be the exception,,,
    the paldin ex black betty breeding made for a fine catalyst indeed...
     
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  6. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Man he sure did have A truck load of GREAT dogs staked out!!! You know now I see the picture of him I've seen him before, didn't know him personally but A couple friends did and heard good things! It seams to me A guy like that the worst thing the most severe punishment was loosing his dogs! I mean sticking A guy that age with five yrs. is crazy! On the other hand guys like that can hold A snuff can over A bears ass for five years!! I hope he's out by now!!!
     
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  7. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Just talked with a guy who ran with Mr. Hargrove back in the 70's and 80's. Although Mr. Hargrove bred a boat load of good dogs he didn't sell a boat load of puppies. One of the reasons he is seldom mentioned with the greats is the majority of his dogs stayed at home.


    My buddy said the best way to describe him is a winner. He won with everything. He won with dogs he bred. He won with dogs other people bred. The people he helped won with dogs out in left field in comparison to what was there at home. He recognized what a dog needed to win and that is where he put in the work. At the same time he knew what could not win and there were a lot of game dogs that could have made an impact on the game but they could not win. His yards was one of those where the chain spots were reserved for winners. Either the dog had won, was on the brink of winning or he didn't fit.


    It's funny as he is right here in the backyard and I remember a bunch of those dogs. Then to see them listed back to back to back I was like, Oh yeah! I remember that.


    He made some bad decisions in his life, like all of us, but I respect his contributions to our country and the dogs. Then at the same time I know some people who were on the wrong end of one of his bad decisions. That stands out some too. I'm going with the two goods outweighing the one bad.


    Hats off to Mr. Hargrove and hopefully he is well after his 'vacation'.


    S
     
  8. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    ...good read and thank you...

    ...HH said if he had to guess he raised ten thousand dogs and two to three hundred were shown,,,
    he had towards fifty alone with the cottinghams and ratliffs...

    ... a right of passage in bulldog country was to beat the war eagle or loose game trying...

    noteworthy dogs that beat the war eagle...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [28] :: GARNER'S SPIKE (5XW)
    spike beat a son of finleys bo and also another dog that beat hh also
    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1620] :: <B>BEACH BOY BILLY'S SPIKEY (5XW)
    Spikey beat both mr hargroves and mr ratliffs champions with his cur snapping tatics,,,
    hh said he lost to three differnt spikes that become grandchampions,,,
    I dont know the third but if you want a gr ch,,, name your dog spike and beat the war eagle...

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [295485] :: GRCH BTK'S AJAX
    killed ch gus on the initial scratch

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [276379] :: KILLER COMBINE'S VENGEANCE (6XW) (ROM)
    beat hh with pure agressions champion black jack,,, CAN ANYBODY FIND HIS PED???

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [92784] :: RCC'S TINA (4X)
    beat hhs bitch called screamer

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [9374] :: BRICKHOUSE'S BENNY BLANCO (3XW - 1XLG)
    benny beat hh with his game z dog but benny later quit against ch nino...

    ...any additions that hh either lost to or beat would be of interest...
     
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  9. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog

    Damn pulled up Tina....looks like A total clone of A male I have he's 3 lbs. more!! Looking for some type of common ancestry....just A couple, weird!!! Well EP do you still keep in touch with him?
    Slim you listen to enough people in this game and somebody always has issues with someone!! In A hundred mile radius where I lived there were A ton of dogmen everybody had some quibble with the other, some how all the years I managed to get along with them all. I just didn't let myself get caught up in there issues, because it always blew over and sure enough they were talking again! I imagine it's the same every where.
    This has been A great post!! Thanx!!!
     
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  10. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Let me repeat,,, mr hargroves was "out of the dogs" when he got in trouble as his mind was lapsing
    and he was showing signs of dementia or alzhiemers but wouldnt get evaluted...

    I think he was not right when they raided him and he was in the middle of getting rid of most of his dogs,,,
    lets just say on his seventy fifth birthday,,, he was down to seventy five dogs...

    HH has got rid off half in a year and was giving them away to folks like oshae and selling them to
    the mac nasties and joe glovers whom brought an undercover over to roll and purchase dogs,,,
    both carolina hot boy and joe glover got in trouble for drugs and got out of trouble by stting up an old sick man...

    HH is as game as they come and plead guilty and they made an example out of the legend in which
    they had a plan of going after the top ten contributions to the game,,,

    Mr hargroves set many a record including the longest jail sentance served for figthing dogs
    with out additional charges such as drugs,,, they thought they would make an example out of him,,,
    BUT HE MADE ONE OUT OF THEM AND TOOK HIS TIME LIKE A MAN setting an example for young dogmen!!!

    HH is out on supervised probation and isnt in the best of health at almost eighty two years of age,,,
    he is to the point he hardly remembers much and forgot what made him tick,,,
    a friend that visits said I bet if you gave him a bulldog his health and memory would come back...

    HH would take the shirt off his back for stranger and more than helped many of friends,,,
    I remember a guy I worked with whoms grandmother was harrys neighbor and he said his whole life
    he remembered harry helping his grandmother as well as his other neighbors,,, bringing her groceries
    as she was a widow that took care of her grandchildren...

    That pis of harry is after his divorce which made him fat,,, I met him in the ninties before he blew up,,,
    and later reunited with him inm which he was/ is a skinny little old man and that pic dont loo like him that much to me,,, although his name wasnt irish jerry holcombe,,, dr kimsey woods,,, mr r hyde,,, james crenshaw,,,
    or the abernathy brothers,,, mr hargroves lived in georgia during that time and wasnt a breeder so you dont see his name,,, he also got a host of dogs from maurice and I will try to dig up thier peds,,, nothing known very much
    but he was in the thick of things and action wise is unsurpassed,,,
    LONG LIVE THE WAR EAGLES LEGEND and I hope all is well for the old man...
     
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  11. TROTLINE

    TROTLINE Top Dog


    Yes he is an example it's what you do when you take A fall! I defiantly heard of him maybe the mid 80's, and almost positive I saw him back when we had big shows in Louisiana. I never traveled that far east, because of small children and A supervisor for Pennzoil I know Jim S. and Bill S. went back that way quite A few times. I heard there was tons of action and you better come loaded for bear! Well maybe at his age it might be just as well he cant focus on the way things have changed! Sometimes I wish I was younger, but hay if I was I wouldn't have experienced what I have! Just talk'n to the wife, when we cash out we'll be slid'n in sideways yelling what A ride! LOL


    If you do see him tell him HAY from the oldtimers! Who knows might be some day sittin on the beach in Cuba drink'n rum and smoking cigars! Stranger things have happened! LOL
     
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  12. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    Thank you good sir and sometimes I wish I was older and lived back in a time where all this bullshit didnt exist...

    From the Carver days to when Mr Hargroves hit the plateau with the pendulum,,,
    the heyday of history has passed and we missed the peak of the game...

    Cuba is now just a hop jump and a skip of a rock away,,,
    and the highway man might be back again and again,,,
    HH is do for a bulldog vacation over the waters...
     
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  13. ragedog10

    ragedog10 Top Dog

    What was done to HH was disgusting the men who set him up should be ashamed of themselves
     
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  14. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

    the tales of two cripppssshhh...

    joe glover is dying from something or another and pimping his wife out,,,
    he was real deal keenels and moved on to geehad and recruited my buddy dirty steve dixon rip
    as both a conditioner and frontman as everybody liked dirty,,,
    dirty was joes kids godfather and yet that cur didnt even show up to his funeral,,,
    a real piece of shit that went around the country buying dogs with fake money dead serious fell victim too,,,
    he sold the bottom feeder champion black rascal to mr ratliff rip for new car money and stole him right back!!!

    thank god that crip is now a crippled,,, I wish a long fucked up life for him!!!

    harry expected joes type to roll as those fast talking hustlers are always looking for an easy out or win,,,
    but harrys bet buddy and understudy the carolina hotboys oshae realy broke harrys heart...

    oshae is also crippled but not in the gang like the cur joe glo,,,
    he is noticbley crippled down half his body yet is one of the better conditioner and handlers harry ever knew,,,
    he like the others,,, the rebel ricky jones,,, don busenbark,,, joe glover,,, mc nasty all have/ had something in common,,, they let the drug game get them in trouble and use the dog game as an out,,,
    they are very talented dogmen and you better believe this is their drug and they will be in a box across from you in no time,,, it isnt that there rats,,, its that you allow it...

    I put their names out there to forewarn you,,, if you choose to deal with them thats on you,,,
    but if you dont put your foot down and are in their company we could presume your the same type...

    mark my words,,, oshae will be back in a box near you if your in those parts and into that kind of thing,,,
    I live close to mexico where there is no such thing as a living ratas,,, ask busenbark why he fled!!!
     
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  15. ELIAS'PISTOLA

    ELIAS'PISTOLA CH Dog

  16. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    Bump,bump
     
  17. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Much respect for him and his dogs.

    He may very well be the best ever conditioning on a free turning slat mill. He gave Oshea the keys to car and he did very well with what he learned as he could shape a dog with the best of them.

    HH seen and owned some of the greatest dogs ever. I still believe Molly Bee was the greatest match dog of all time. I do not think anything really compares.

    I came along at a time when HH was in his hey day. I have much respect for him in the dog game. With that said one time once upon a long time ago there was a friendly gathering and while the party was going on the man ran in and a bunch of old fat white dudes made a break for it thru the woods. One, close to the oldest, but definitely the fattest turned out to be the fastest. He ran a couple miles thru woods, fields, behind farms and made it to a country store. He called his wife and told her to come get him that he was going back in the woods and would come out when she pulled into the store lot. He sat down on a bench to tie his boot and a car drove by. HH was in the back seat, spun around and pointed. The brakes were applied first and the handcuffs second. HH never made it to the jail.

    The guy that turned me onto the dogs as kid said HH dimed them all. Two key factors, he pointed at him from the back seat of a patrol car....no cuffs. When they were paraded in front of the magistrate, no HH.

    As a young man if I wanted to stay in good graces I had to steer clear of that neck of the woods and the ones that ran in that click. It was a rule he had.

    And another funny. They locked him up and the deputy starting ragging him and the others in the jail and telling them how stupid and cruel they all were and if they were smart and nice like him they would be at church that Sunday morning. The guy that turned me onto dogs said if you were so smart you would have frisked me before you threw me in here and took this pistol away. And if I was really stupid and mean I would send you back to church being carried by six of your closest friends.

    I saw him that Monday morning and his punkin' looked like he went ten rounds with Ali.

    It was the pre-Ron White comedy show....he said I am not sure how many deputies it would take to beat the shit out of me, and he said they did not know neither, so they went ahead and used all of them.....

    I read the War Eagle interview and started some flash backs.

    S
     
  18. Crazy that...it just shows big names and all that.will rat on the ones less fortunate then them..some shady fuckers out there!
     
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  19. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    During the eighties I was an avid subscriber to Sporting Dog Journal and UK's Pit Bull News.. As soon as they dropped through my letter box, the day was usually cancelled until I digested the knowledge and wrote down every phone number I might need to buy dogs in the future.. Patrick, Clemmons, Boyles, Redboy, Jeep, Jocko, everything was available, and in the days before internet - for me - having the SDJ was like a kid having exclusive access to a toy store! I always read what dogs were for sale first, that was my focus.. Should I import one off Katie Marlowe or Kenny Gaines or Grinderman? Clemmons Eli Shadow and Patrick's Commander Whitehead caught my eye, good dogs no doubt! But now I'm older I realise the real knowledge was staring me in the face all the time and I was too wrapped up in fantasy to see it!.. SHOW NEWS: The only section of the SDJ or PBN that actually mattered and one of the most premier and represented names in that section was War Eagle! Every show news had War Eagle dogs running, other names were Tant, Captain America, Dixie Line, Crenshaw, Ken Allen and Rebel Kennels, but War Eagle was right up there with them.. That's all I know!
     
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  20. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    The big name rats were in the UK too mate, I assure you!
     
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