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Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by Michael., Jan 25, 2015.

  1. Michael.

    Michael. Big Dog

    It was crazy, it cost that much because they kept him for like 4 days. After I got the 2nd opinion, the vets were like "well it is rare, so it's easy to miss" but then, they had the percortin on hand that they already give to another person who has a dog with addisons, I was like, it isn't that rare if you have the meds on hand that you already give to a dog with the same disease! It was pretty nerve racking and if I didn't send off his bloodwork to another vet we would have put him down.
  2. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    I use it and still use it 1cc per 100 lbs it has tested safe at 100 times the recommended dose On what I don't know ..come in 50cc bottle only use it ,march to oct here in Michigan 1/2 cc for 50 lbs so lasts for years :)note: fresh(new ) needle every time so you are not putting bio. back into the bottle
  3. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Yep Rroscoe 1ml per 100pds is the same as 1/10 (0.10ml) per 10 pds

    And with Ivermectin it is a little tricky. A single dose 2mg/kg or less it is rare to see toxicity. But an accumulative dosing (daily) high doses it can cause it. Clinical symptoms of toxicity start at 2.5 mg/kg. and death occurs when dosages exceed 40mg/kg.

    Long term (14 weeks) usage symptoms appeared at 1-2 mg/kg
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  4. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    Hi Cynthia nice old breed you have by the way I'm just letting some one know the dose I use ,NEVER should someone use a higher dose then needed of any drug and I put dose in idiot term so someone who is new will know ..you have ped on your dog ? I like Berts dogs ,I'm retired from the real and my yard is closed.. Bert was a good Honest guy WE did a couple face to face in the late 80s , Was a different time when all you would get is a ticket for your trouble :) Times change sad to see all the mis breeding and the numbers ..There used to only be a few guys per state who had real dogs ..
  5. rroscoe

    rroscoe Lightner Hemphill / Colby

    AND I should note the dose I said IS once a MONTH

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  6. Cynthia

    Cynthia Top Dog

    Yea Roscoe you use what I use too for Ivermctin. Same dosage. Just worded differently.

    Yea BF had much better luck with Bert's stock. We just moved from the Panhandle of FL. BF is from that area. So all he knew was Sorrells dogs.

    My Profile Pic is a Sure Hit Kennel's bred Sorrells dog which is basically Bert's stock. We have had our fair share of Tatonka dogs. We now on,unshaven one Sorrells bitch and she is not a Tatonka bred dog. Lol
  7. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    If you don't want a single flea in your yard plant a bunch of banana trees..something in the banana trees some kind of toxins that fleas will not go near we had planted them all down the rows of circular concrete slabs we had the dogs staked out on and never had a single flea on any of our over 40 dogs... now the front yard didn't have any banana trees on it and when we would let out our house dog to use bathroom in front yard she would come back with fleas on her...with banana trees you will never have to spray poison in your yard or on your dogs
  8. CajunBoulette

    CajunBoulette CH Dog

    Will banana trees grow anywhere? Or would you have to live in a tropical climate?

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  9. boilermaker123

    boilermaker123 Big Dog

    Yee u need a semi tropical enviornment we lived in central florida so the banana trees did excellent there.. this is an old trick not too many people know about
  10. kera5

    kera5 Big Dog

    Didn't know about banana trees,but ivermex still get the job done


    michael...i would tell that vet i want some money back,,for mis-diagnosis ..???..there is certain plants that have a natural pesticide they produce,,be worth looking into,,,if ya have a lot of probs...
  12. Augustus

    Augustus Premium Member Premium Member

    CAPC changes heartworm guidelines due to evidence of resistance
    'Slow kill' method no longer recommended in cases of infection.
    Jul 24, 2013

    The Companion Animal Parasite Council (CAPC) has altered its guidelines after evidence of preventive-resistant Dirofilaria immitis strains was presented at the American Association of Veterinary Parasitologists Conference at the end of July in Chicago. Researchers have now identified heartworm isolates from the Mississippi Delta region that develop in adult dogs receiving routine monthly heartworm preventives.

    At the conference, a number of parasitologists—including Byron Blagburn, PhD, of Auburn University, Dwight Bowman, PhD, of Cornell, and others—presented the findings of investigations funded by Novartis Animal Health, which has contributed $1.6 million to date toward studying resistance. “Resistance has been demonstrated across the macrocyclic lactone (ML) product class,” writes Bowman in an introduction to a collection of the research abstracts. “All currently approved products have failed to prevent heartworm development in dogs when tested in experimentally induced infection models with Mississippi River Valley isolates.” These products include ivermectin, selamectin, milbemycin oxime and moxidectin.

    This means treatment of heartworm-positive dogs should be immediate and aggressive, as noted in the newly revised CAPC guidelines. The “slow kill” therapy sometimes prescribed by veterinarians is never appropriate, as it has been demonstrated that using this modality—repeated macrocyclic lactone administration over a period of time—increases the proportion of circulating microfilariae that possess resistance markers.

    These recommendations from the researchers can form a “first line of defense” against the spread of resistance, according to the conclusions presented in the abstract collection:

    1. Macrocyclic lactones should never be used be used for slow-kill treatment of heartworm disease.

    • Macrocyclic lactones are approved for prevention, not treatment of heartworm disease.

    • Using a macrocyclic lactone, including ivermectin, moxidectin, selamectin or milbemycin oxime, for slow-kill treatment may incrase the risk of resistance developing.

    2. Dogs should be tested for heartworms once a year. Existing infections should be aggressively treated with an approved adulticide and microfilariae should be eliminated.

    3. The CAPC recommendations for year-round prevention with a broad-spectrum parasiticide should be followed.

    4. Pet owners should be encouraged to reduce exposure to mosquitoes as much as possible.

    Parasitology specialists emphasize that evidence for resistance does not mean abandoning current protocols but following them even more rigorously. “The new evidence confirming heartworm resistance underscores the importance of protecting pets year-round without gaps in prevention,” Bowman says in a statement from CAPC. “Veterinarians also should continue to emphasize annual heartworm testing. In areas where heartworm is more prevalent or breaks are appearing, testing every six months is recommended.”

    While new strains may be preventive-resistant, CAPC says current products are still effective against many strains of heartworm and several control other parasites, including intestinal helminths, fleas and mites. “Preventives are still the best protection we have, and consistently administering them is key to maintaining pet health,” says CAPC board member Susan Little, DVM, PhD. Though the preventives cannot guarantee that infections will never occur, Little encourages veterinarians to “test dogs regularly to be sure they have not become infected, and when infections are identified in dogs, we have to treat whenever possible.”

    The geographic spread of resistant isolates has not been determined, but CAPC says it will continue to monitor the evolving situation and modify recommendations to veterinarians as needed.

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