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Keeping Those Fleas Away

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by Your Worst Nightmare, May 7, 2004.

  1. Ja-net

    Ja-net Banned

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    You talking about Ivomec? (Ivermectin).
     
  2. Buck E. Owens

    Buck E. Owens Banned

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~



    like burn the chain spot or as a rub down Marty?
    :confused:
     
  3. Marty

    Marty Guest

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    As in kill them M/F's, what ever it takes and hell no don't light it LOL and don't put it on your dogs :rolleyes:

    I saw an old dog man use gasoline mixed with diesel fuel to try and kill the fleas :o
     
  4. arjanito

    arjanito Pup

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    Hi there,crosspost from Tom Garner.After a bit of research I've come across and tested an inexpensive, high quality means of flea control. It is pretty common knowledge that Frontline is the primo means of controlling fleas. It outperforms Advantage by a significant margin. However, it is too expensive for large yards. Frontline typically costs $20-$30 per dog when purchased from your vet.
    After a bit of research I found that the active ingredient, fipronil, is also used in a termite treatment called Termidor SC. This product is available online in 20 ounce bottles for $62.95. Go to http://www.pestproductsonline.com/products/Termidor_SC_20_oz-14-0.html
    to purchase.
    To use, measure in a syringe and drop it on your dogs back starting between the shoulder blades and work your way back. Be sure to apply in areas that your dog cannot lick.
    I treated more than 100 dogs with 1 bottle. In fact, given the conversion ratio of 28.4131 ml per fluid ounce, you should be able to treat about 10 44-88 lb dogs per ounce of termidor, or 200 dogs per 20 ounce container. At a typical vet cost of $25 per dog, you can save over $4900 with a single container of Termidor!

    Dose it as follows:
    45-88 lbs 2.7 ml
    23-44 lbs 1.4 ml
    00-22 lbs .7 ml
    You can expect high quality flea control for at least a month using this product in this manner. Feel free to crosspost this wherever it might do some good! Tom G.
     
  5. Marty

    Marty Guest

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    You know what, Iv'e tried it all and as far as I'm concerned the only thing that will kill them is gasoline, I'm at my wits end with these M/Fs I been fighting a losing battle all week with this shit :mad:

    Iv'e been told this works, that works and nothing work's and I've spent over $300.00 that I don't have and nothing works :(
     
  6. Marty

    Marty Guest

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    Everybody seems to know what there taking about LOL

    We live on a seven-acre farm and have three cats and one dog. We cannot get rid of the fleas. I have tried everything I know. I have bombed the house, dipped the animals and sprayed the yard. I have gotton the drops for the dog that you put on his neck and back and nothing is working. The fleas are driving us crazy. Can anyone help? I can't afford to keep buying all of these flea products with no results.
    Donna

    Borax Eliminates Fleas

    Mix four parts of Borax with one part of salt, and sprinkle over your carpet. The mixture gets down amongst the fibers, and dehydrates the fleas and eggs, and prevents them re-hatching. This works great, and it is much more effective and cheaper than "flea bombs."
    Laura G

    editor's note: Some parents prefer to keep Borax away children. Especially if the children crawl or play on the carpets.

    Flea Advice from a Vet

    As a veterinarian in Louisianna, I have been dealing with fleas for over 20 years. If Donna takes the following steps her fleas will be gone in 45-60 days and will not return.

    Bring the cats to her vet and get a Program injection every six months.

    Give her dog Program (or Sentinel) monthly.

    Treat all four pets with Frontline spray monthly.

    All of these products are the safest fleas products we've ever had. No Premise treatment will be necessary! The total cost of this program is less than thirty dollars a month.
    Dale P., D.V.M.

    Rock Salt Deters Fleas

    We have cats! We used to have a lot of fleas until I read somewhere about putting small trays of rock salt under couches or other places where it can't be seen or gotten into by children. I might have one or two in any given room. The rock salt lasts for years. I have a few fleas occasionally but not any more infestations. I have no idea why or how this works, but it has in my house!
    Mary Ann A.

    Pennyroyal and Cedar

    My husband and I also live out in the country and here are our flea control tips. Plant pennyroyal around your yard. Just here and there where the dogs might lie in it sometimes. Put cedar shavings in their dog house, but these need to be changed once or twice a year. We usually put fresh out just before and after the winter. Allow the pets to roll in dust (they know what they're doing.) We have 2 dogs and 5 cats (amoung our other 25 pets) and have very little problem with fleas (in Missouri!).
    Roxanne

    Garlic and Brewyer's Yeast

    Has the reader tried garlic and/or brewyer's yeast? You can purchase capsules of either at health food stores and at some chains of stores. have your pet swallow one a day, the taste/smell will get in their coats and fleas do NOT like the taste.

    If the fleas have gotten into the house, place a small pan of soapy water in the middle of the room at night with a small light (tea light candles sitting in the water work well) near the pan. The fleas will jump towards the light and end up in the water. In the morning, flush the water.
    Sandra M.

    A Little Salt

    I have used salt on the ground outside the door and on the carpet to kill off the eggs of the fleas. If you are doing this outdoors, you need to be careful not to use too much, especially in areas where you grow things, it may have an adverse effect on your plants as well. It is inexpensive and it seams to work.
    Cathy

    Comb Fleas Out

    I am sure other people have mentioned how effective combing is. Every day into the toilet was my approach. Also I lined our walls with cedar boards - I removed them once the problem went away.
    Kristy

    Over-all Program Approach

    We live on 10 acres and have 2 dogs and 3 cats and also had a terrible flea problem last year. This year we're trying to get a jump on preventing the fleas from taking hold. Ideas: boric acid sprinkled on light carpets and left for 30 minutes, then vacuum. For dark carpets try diatomaceous earth (available from organic gardening catalogues). With the dips, make sure you're dipping long enough. We dipped our kittens this weekend and it took 3 dips to kill all the fleas. Also, with the drops for the dogs--if your dog is over 45 pounds, it takes twice as much drops. I just bought Bio-Spot from our farm supply store, for 1/2 the price of the brands the vet sells. One last idea: we have over 50 chickens running loose on our farm and have noticed that the tick and fly population is much lessened. I don't know if they'll help with the fleas too.
    Sandy C. in Illinois

    Natural Repellents and Dips

    Use a mixture of Avon Skin-So-Soft, vinegar, and eucalyptus oil as a bug repellent for humans and animals.

    Natural flea and tick dip:

    2 cups, packed, of fresh rosemary and/or peppermint
    1 quart boiling water
    4 quarts warm water

    Pour the just boiled water over the fresh herbs and let steep, covered, for 30 minutes. Strain and add the liquid to the 4 quarts of warm water and then saturate the animal. Let it air dry.

    Flea Spray

    spray her with an herbal mixture of:

    chamomile
    valerian
    licorice
    witch hazel
    Prepare an infusion using one tea bag of each herb, and when it's cold, mix it with witch hazel.

    Plants:

    Densely grow fennel and basil around the pet area and place some of the fresh herbs in and around their homes (inside their beds, on the floor, etc.). They called it strewing many, many years ago.
    Mary B.

    Mothballs in the Vacuum

    When we found ourselves with a flea-infested Samoyed, the groomer recommended putting mothballs in the sweeper bag. The mothballs killed the fleas and the eggs in the sweeper bag. We ran the sweeper alot that summer, but we had no more problems with fleas. Now, I always put mothballs in the sweeper bag in the summer and we've never had another problem.
    Sandy B

    Change to Natural Diet

    My first suggestion is to feed your animals a healthy all natural diet. I recommend feeding them only raw food. This actually costs far less than feeding premium kibble. It will keep them out of the vet, thus saving you money.

    The second thing is add APPLE CIDER VINEGAR to the animals food and water. This makes the skin smell and taste acidic to the parasite and will repel them. It repels fleas, ticks and flies.

    Keeping your dog (or cat) internally healthy by feeding them a healthy diet will naturally repel internal and external parasites as these things do not attack healthy individuals. Parasites attack ill and unhealthy animals. Do NOT use apple cider "flavored" vinegar as it will not do the same thing. Use the real thing even though it is slightly more expensive. There are also recipes to make your own ACV. For my 75lb dogs I add about 2-3 tablespoons to their food and for my 10 lb Chihuahua I use just a few shakes, maybe adds up to a teaspoon. Add it to the water while they are getting used to the smell and taste and if you continue to feed kibble.
    Priscilla

    Advice from an Exterminator

    I am an ex-exterminator. I don't believe many pests truly need professional treatment. However, fleas are one pest who does. The eggs of the flea actually attach themselves to the carpet fibres. I always had the homeowner vacuum the entire rug before I got there. This would stimulate the eggs to emerge from their cocoon. When they are inside the cocoon, the pesticide will not work on them. I would then come in and spray the entire floor space. The pesticide had to include a growth inhibitor (so the pre-adult fleas couldn't become adults and reproduce). The owners had to stay out of the house long enough to have the product dry. Then, they need to vacuum the rug every day for 14 days. Throw out the bag every day. The pet(s) need to be treated at the same time as the house.

    If every thing was prepared properly, I was thorough and the homeowner followed through with the vacuuming, I never got a call back for a follow-up treatment. In really bad cases, the outside play areas for the pets got treated also.

    It's not fun and it's not cheap but it works. You do have to be willing to put up with the fleas for 14 days after the treatment.
    Ken in Jamison, PA

    Advatage Works

    We have five cats and one dog who all live indoors and three out of the six of them are highly allergic to flea bites. In other words, when they get fleas, they get sick and bald and everyone is miserable! We tried EVERYTHING for two years including the back of the neck drops last summer and barely noticed any difference. However, this year, when our third cat had come down with an infection, the vet recommended a new back of the neck treatment from Advantage. It has done wonders for our pets, and even though it is not inexpensive, the results were absolutely wonderful and we consider it a well-made investment since our animals are so much healthier. I'm not trying to advertise a product, but I just thought I'd share what worked for us and the fact that this year's brand is a whole different ballgame than anything we found available before.
    Nathan

    But they don't know what there saying, apple cider vinegar what a joke, you must live in a area where you only have one month a yr of summer time, I'm fed up with this shit, I guess I'm going to have to move where they don't have have a spring , summer and Ice is on the ground yr round :mad:
     
  7. Marty

    Marty Guest

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    Next step...

    FLEA FACTS
    Fleas are quite hardy individuals. As a parasite, they are a very high order of insect, and can lie dormant in all life stages. Even polar bears have fleas - at the North Pole and in the winter. It also means you can walk out of your flea-infested house right this minute, not come back for over two years, and then get hit with the very same fleas from two years before. That is part of the reason that fleas, even for the exterminator, are very difficult to control. Especially since exterminators tend to get the worst case scenarios, those long-ignored or unknown.

    FLEAS ARE LIKE GERMS
    They are ALWAYS in every inhabited structure. Even in places where there are no pets. Remember, pets aren't the only animals that live in or on our houses. Birds and other outdoor animals live on or near your home. As much as 50% of the structures we treat for fleas, have no pets. So even if you have no pets, you do have those other animals living around your home or business. They ALL vector fleas, one of the worst disease carriers in the world.

    This, by the way, is why you don't want to feed the birds or other wildlife around your home. These animals will bring their own unique set of parasites into the area. These will most certainly affect your kids, your pets and YOU! You're not helping, you're hurting.

    An adult flea is quite mobile. He can jump almost 3 feet high, ride in on your jeans, stay on and alive in your jeans, in the basement, where you threw them, in a corner, for another two years! To awaken, they only need the subtle vibrations as you approach them....

    Most of the time, that low background population of fleas doesn't bother us, it's just that when the conditions are just right, the population expands and fleas go looking for new targets. If you let it go long enough, or don't know it's happening, it will virtually guarantee that the exterminator may be making multiple visits to your home. Not good for the budget.


    HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU (OR YOUR PET) HAVE FLEAS?
    For your pet, look in the areas of their genitals or at the inaccessible areas they can't reach, such as their ears. You look for either the fleas themselves or their droppings. The droppings are little dark specks that (when you put them in hot water) will turn the water red or brownish. Their droppings, of course, are dried blood - a sure sign of an active flea infestation.

    Flea bites (on you) will be little red welts, very itchy, that are usually grouped together and most often show up on your ankles - although fleas will bite anywhere they can.


    WHAT CHEMICAL OR TREATMENT DOES THE EXTERMINATOR USE?

    That depends. Not only on the exterminator, but the conditions he finds at the treatment location. He has several different insecticides that are effective and labeled for fleas. He might also use a growth regulator, which acts to interrupt the insect growth cycle. Sometimes the exterminators will use an aerosol space spray, injecting insecticides into the air, and letting it penetrate into the areas where fleas inhabit. This procedure may require that you stay out of the building for an extended period of time, up to 12 hours after an application. The exterminator's aerosol, by the way, is a bit different from the product you might buy at the hardware store. Usually it's best to let the exterminator decide which method and chemicals he will be using. Oftentimes he will use a combination, since every job has different conditions.

    DOING IT YOURSELF
    This might be a bit difficult if you don't have the equipment and correct chemicals for the job. Fleas are a difficult proposition even for the professional, so doing it yourself is usually not an option. Besides, do you want to take the risk of poisoning someone in your family? I don't think so. Call a professional, it'll be better in the long run, and probably even cheaper. Any exterminator should be able to quote you a rate, over the phone, after you answer a few questions that we will need to know to determine the extent of your problem. That's the way we do it.


    TO PROPERLY PREPARE FOR FLEA TREATMENT (This is important!)
    Vacuum all of the floors and carpets, pay special attention to the areas that your animal frequents. If you have animals that get up on things, vacuum those areas too. Start with a clean vacuum bag and throw it away when you're done. Tidy up the normal everyday clutter that may be lying around the house. Our treatment will be to all of the floors, surbases, certain parts of your upholstered furniture, and carpeting throughout the entire accessible structure. Our licensed operator will treat all of the rooms, upstairs and downstairs, including the basement and garage, if you have them. Operators will also want to treat under your beds, so be sure to have them cleaned out and vacuumed underneath.

    Crawl spaces and attics are NOT treated and should not be accessed by animals. If crawl spaces are the source of the fleas, because animals have been there, your flea treatments will become much more expensive and extensive.

    PET PREPARATIONS
    Wash all the pet bedding, pick up their food trays, and be sure and point out your pet's favorite resting places so the serviceman can pay attention to these areas. If your pets use any of your beds, anywhere in the house, strip those beds and wash the sheets and bed covers while you're out of the house.




    At the same time as our treatment, all pets must also be treated. You can do it yourself or you can have it done, one is just as good as the other. It should, however, be done at about the same time as the exterminator makes his treatment visit. After your pet's treatment, watch pets carefully for any return of fleas. That means that the house is re-infecting the animal.

    YOU COULD ALSO TRY THIS....
    There is also anecdotal evidence that giving your dog doses of yeast, in the form of yeast tablets, may help the animal be more resistant to flea bites. Dogs (and cats) will not willingly eat these tablets, as they have a slightly "bitter" taste, so you must mix them in with their food.


    AFTER THE EXTERMINATOR LEAVES

    Vacuuming is okay. In fact, it's beneficial, getting up some of the fleas that will continue to hatch for awhile. Have your pet dipped or washed again at the recommended interval. You should also expect to see activity for a few days after treatment. This is normal, and may even continue as long as a week or more after your treatment.


    Follow up treatments are recommended three to six weeks following your initial treatment, depending on the severity of the problem. Treatment should not be reapplied for at least three weeks, so make sure everything is prepared correctly for treatment.

    .
    WILL I NEED RE-TREATMENTS?
    That also depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There are so many variables that there's never a pat answer. You, as an occupant of the building, are the best measure. If your flea problem disappears after your treatment, you may not need any further treatments. There are times when multiple treatments must be made. Pesticide use, however, is best used at minimums, just as you might think of drugs. If the fleas are there, or still there, then it is best to treat. The alternatives are worse.
     
  8. chbk

    chbk Big Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    You can also buy a product called Premise 2, which is 21.4% imidacloprid, for $74.95 for 240 ml.

    http://www.epestsupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=BAYERPREMISE

    Premise 2 Dosage

    1.00 ml does 30 lbs of dog.
    1.50 ml does 45 lbs of dog.
    2.00 ml does 60 lbs of dog.

    you should beable to treat 120 60lb dogs for $74.95.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
     
  9. Road Dog

    Road Dog Pup

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    Gordons Grub No More Concentrate (Imidacloprid) about 16 bucks a quart at tractor supply.
     
  10. cookie02

    cookie02 Pup

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    pleased i joined this site,as i am loosing a battle against fleas.Got a rescue dog and when i got him home i saw loads of fleas on him,as he is white you can see them crawling all over him now other two dogs are infected,i have used frontline,eveything was ok for a few weeks now there back again.I am going to try some of your ideas.thanks everyone
     
  11. slowanlow

    slowanlow Pup

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    Funny story, to save $$ I bought a big spray bottle of frontline (not fl plus) to use on 2 45lbers.
    I didn't realize I would need to use 45-90 sprays per dog to saturate them in this crap.
    I didn't realize my dogs were covered in micro scratches and abrasions from wrestling around, rough playin, and a recent deep woods hike we had been on.
    So after spraying down dog 1, he was released and proceeded to run around like a wild animal for 45 min rolling, rubbing, and saturating our whole house in frontline. It was hilarious.
    Turns out this spray crap has kind of a lot of rubbing alcohol in it, which irritated him just enough to rub it all over me, my gf, my other dog, and the house.
    After we stopped laughing, we sprayed down my other dog and tossed her outside so she could spread it out there.

    The only fleas I've seen since have been dead :)

    PS the spray dosnt save you $$ unless yor dogs are micro. I will buy the HUGE dog size FL plus and put half on each one from now on.
     
  12. FrankDublin

    FrankDublin CH Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    dawn to bath and rubbing alcohol

    the alcohol kills them good thats bout all I have ever used
     
  13. yoel

    yoel Big Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    I mix garlic cloves in my dogs raw food and I haven't seen fleas on him since
     
  14. jeepfreek

    jeepfreek Big Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    yes i heard that works good ...where do i get the permithrin ? & what exactly is it ?? thanks
     
  15. Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~


    Really, I always figured that rubbing alcohol drys their skin...
     
  16. Sparkplug

    Sparkplug Pup

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    I've used the garlic/brewer's yeast also, but you have to spray your yard....putting a dog back on the chain with an infested yard, you'll go crazy tryin to rid them of fleas
     
  17. rallyracer

    rallyracer CH Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    those who have any sort of land at all ( 1+ acre) get yourself some Guineafowl.
    5+ dogs, 100+/- head of cattle, zero fleas-zero ticks.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. yoel

    yoel Big Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    I've been telling people everywhere that garlic works. I put chopped garlic cloves in his raw food and I haven't seen a flea on him since. Garlic/brewers yeast tablets?? Ima look those up though.
     
  19. AGame

    AGame CH Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~


    a few years ago the ticks got so dam bad we had to get us some guineas
     
  20. absolute peril

    absolute peril Big Dog

    Re: ~ Keeping Those Fleas Away ~

    My dogs get daily garlic added to their food everyday and flea, heart worm and tick meds once a month. Never seen a flea on mine.;)
     

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