Lar-san

crawford,
that pretty girl you have! whats her ped look like?

 

thank you.....here is her ped .......

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=1><TBODY><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=8>Sire
Allison's "Red Warrior"</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Sire
Allisons' "Red Rocketeer"</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
Williams' "Steel Spike"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Reynoso's "Brandy"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Reynoso's "Panter"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
"Xia of Lar-San"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
"Lar-San Krimson Chas Krug"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
"Lar-San Blazin Lady"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Dam
L's "Wilrox Texas Tornado</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
Mabbott's "Crimson Tide"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
"Lar-San Lil Deacon"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
"Lar-San Peaches"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
"Lar-San Deity"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
"Lar-San Krimson Chas Krug"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
"Lar-San Magic Jezebel"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=8>Dam
Harvey's "Maiden The USA"</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Sire
Harvey's "Nitro-Glycerin"</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
"Lar-San Krimson Chas Krug"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
"Beujolais of Lar-San"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Derby's "Lar-San Gingersnap"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
Velarde's "Dynamite"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Velarde's "Lar-San Mr. Majestic"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Velarde's "Sarona Brandy"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=4>Dam
Velarde's "Dynamite"</TD><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Sire
Velarde's "Lar-San Mr. Majestic"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
Comer's "Ceasars Oscar"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Lar-San's "Lil Red Maggie"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%" rowSpan=2>Dam
Velarde's "Sarona Brandy"</TD><TD width="25%">Sire
G's "Sarona Deadly Demon"</TD></TR><TR><TD width="25%">Dam
Williams' "Beater"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

Nice pedigree, i see you got her from roki. Do you have any other dogs?

 

thanks yea. hehe

no, i personally don't have any more dogs right now.

 

no i dont quit... whats bred for looks is just that.

a APBT is not bred for looks at all.... conformation doesnt mean anything at all.

i owned some castillo's and stuff with larsan before and they are a seprate breed from a TRUE apbt.

somone else can explain this further because we all know your going to get your panties in a bunch.

 

Boy, that's a gorgeous dog you have! And you can tell she is a "Lar-San" dog just by looking at the picture. A 'chocolate' Lar-San~! My favorite... lol

She's looking great and congrats.

 

I suppose that you missed the parts of the different posts displayed, that the Lar-San line excels in everything. What part of "everything" do you not understand? Lookin' Good is just a perk that some APBTs just don't have..Hey, life's a bitch. My 'good looking' Lar-San APBT dogs, along with the rest out there, are capable of being the APBT that they are and have been for decades.

Edited-take personal issues to p.m.'s please-DryCreek

As far as Castillo - the line is not even in the same class as Lar-San, even though the line is hardly there in my peds, and quite a few generations back, I will agree with you on that. If you don't own a "lar-san" dog.....if you are not really familar with the line, please keep your ignorant comments to yourself. Better yet, post them.. Let's see how ignorant you can be. I am not one to get my "panties" in a wad (or is it bunch).....are you?

 

apbt's are bred for gameness

staffies are bred for looks

what do lar-san fall under?

we all know castillo and larsan are sister bloodlines they come from the same stuff and castillo has lar-san in it.

like i said I OWNED THEM.... i know what they are bred for. and they are not bred for gameness.

ignorance? nope... its not hard to read a pedigree.

 

I agree w/ diggit. Lar-San dogs are NOT bred for gameness & are pretty much the eqivalent of a staff kept to APBT standard.

How do I know this?? When Sandy & Kim found out that WP tested & matched dogs (a man who Kim had sold a dog to) they they had an all out total connipition fit. I mean they freaked. It was quite obvious that they didn't test or match & didn't want any of their dogs tested or matched either. Period.

The fact is, Lar-San dogs are bred to be play-pretty show dogs & any who show gameness are freaks of nature. Although there are *some* game Lar-San dogs out there, they are the exception, not the rule, as Sandy didn't & hasn't bred for gameness, nor does any other Lar-San breeder I know of.

(P.S. - Also, about Lar-San dogs being small, where did that come from? Mine was 65 lbs & the others I have seen were of good size as well.)

 

With all due respect, there is no cause to call anyone simple minded. The only things I have seen on this thread about Lar-San dogs was the sad, bad, truth about the line. Some good, some bad, but all true. And what is wrong w/ speaking the truth?

(BTW, before anyone accuses me of being a "hater," I like Lar-San dogs. I owned one & he was a wonderful dog.)

 

This is the ped for my little bitch Lou Lou, who is three years old and "35" lbs. She is also very close to her 'CH' title in ADBA Conformation.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=172673

 

Many years ago there was a man in outside of Little Rock that had some bulldogs. He did not test them, he did not match them, and would not sell you a pup if you had that intention(if he caught wind of it). However, folks around that area who were matching dogs were doing everything they could to get their hands on one of his dogs, as they were game as all get out. Word there was, if you want a game dog, go to ######, but dont mention anything about rolling dogs to them, or you'll get nothing.

What am I saying? Never judge a book by its cover. Now, if you had tried a line of dogs exclusively for a while, and never had anything good come out of it, then I'd say your opinion is something to listen to, but if all I had was 5 dogs out of line, it is possible that I just had bad misrepresentation of the line.

I said all of this, but now I say this, I have no hands on experience with this line of dog. I may very well be that they are show and no go, it also may be that they are show and go, I dont know.

Just wanted to throw a wrench into the thread!
Cheers!

 

Mason: Here is the ped to the dog I used to own:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=19320

As you can see, he was no light weight by far. And had we shown him I have no doubt he would have CH'ed out b/c he had wonderful conformation. But instead I ended up selling him to a friend of mine. I was strapped for space & he really liked the dog so ...

I regret selling him b/c he was a really nice dog, but he was just too big, as are many of the Lar-San dogs I have seen. But then again, my idea of big is 50 lbs & up.

Pig: What you say is true. But if the Lar-San line was consistently producing game dogs, don't you think more dog men would be using the Lar-San line? Like the old saying goes, "The proof is in the pudding .."

Now before anyone jumps me, I am not saying there are no game Lar-San dogs. There are *some* game Lar-San dogs out there. I am just saying Lar-San dogs are bred for the show ring & not the go ring & any game dogs you get are likely fluke throw backs & not a direct result of game breeding.

 

hey! thanks!
when we go to shows...EVERYONE says "shes a lar-san doggie isn't she!?" hehehehe it's a dead giveaway! HA

the funny thing is.....she HATES all the neighborhood dogs, i truely think if she could get to 'em......like whoa! LOL HAHA i couldn't believe she acts like that, being bred the way she is ... but she does. you would never, ever know it at any of the shows. hehehehe she is so wellbehaved it's scary. ha! she acts like a human, it's so funny.

 

i like to speak the truth that doesnt make me simple minded.
denying the truth is much worse in my opinion.

i studyed my butt off about my castillo's and lar-san was a part of them... no kiddin they could weight pull.

but true to breed type? NOPE. they were not bred for gameness one bit.

what ABK is saying is right on... the proof is in the pudding.

i also agree that most of the line are large.

i got a dog (peanut) who has a large amout of whopper in him and hes only 35 lbs and he looks ADBA.... so what? does that make him better? nope hes my pet quality animal and that he will stay.

my point is conformation doesnt mean anything... its JUST LOOKS.
breeding for looks never gets no where.

this is just my opinion.... lar-san dogs are good all round athletes (form fallows function)
to preserve this breed takes a little more i think.....

 

how many lar san dogs have you had? How many have you tested[] stop please! here i will posted two peds for you: <a href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=98783">
ARTS' DANTE OF WILROX</a> and this one <a href="http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=217212">
CHAVEZ' RED TORMENTO</a>

 

I am not going to argue with anyone about any of this, but... wouldn't you have to have good conformation (within reason) in order to have good function? I mean, you couldn't put a dog with bad hips out there (where ever there is) and expect it to be able to function could you? They have to be put together correctly in order to be at the top of their game whether it is in the ring or in the pit right?

They do health tests in the show ring world to ensure soundness while in the other world (game) they test in the pit. Where a unsound dog would not last.
Now I don't know anything much except for what I have read about the game dogs but wouldn't that be correct?

As far as Lar-san being game, I have 4 with some of that blood. Not by any means pure, but they are definitely not the staff type. Definitely hot by comparison. I know several people with the line and they are anywhere from 40 to 60 lbs. in weight.

 

LOL... People have opinions. I don't give 2 hoots whether my dogs are gamebred. Matter of fact, I like all kinds except for this new mixed crap. It doesn't offend me if you say that they were bred 'pretty'. Pretty is not a bad thing. Anyway, I suppose in your standards, anything UKC absolutely, positively canNOT be a game dog. Since Bill does (or shall we say 'did') advertize and breed for gameness, why would he possibly want cute, conformationally correct UKC registered Lar-San dogs on his yard to breed? And he had more than just one Ro-Ki dog there, including some from Sandy I believe....couldn't have pissed Kim or Sandy off too badly. Anyway, this proves an interesting thread for those with some Lar-san in their lines. cheers

 

Another addition to my thoughts, Purple Pig has a good thread going on conormation. Mr. Scott Dowd, who owns Matrix kennels, has some of the Lar-san blood on his yard. Probably a lot of Lar-san blood.

 

I've owned two males from the same litter. They were bred to the same bitch. Male A's offspring didn't amount to crap, while Male B's offspring were amazing bulldogs. Because of Male B's kids' performance, I line bred both A & B's kids the SAME EXACT WAY. Again, male A's offspring didn't produce a thing....while B's offspring were again, the real deal.

Moral of the story?

Like someone else said, in no way can you judge a bloodline's personality traits or other physical or mental tools by the 1,2,3,or 8 dogs you've owned or seen with that blood. To make an accurate assesment of a bloodline, enough to draw conclusions and to be able to reason that "a game lar-san dog is few and far between or a freak of nature"....i think you'd need a little more first hand experience.

If i were to have sold all of Male A's pups to the public or to be tested by fellow doggers, they would have all had the same response.....COLD, CUR, etc. That judgement would have been given to Male B's litters as well, but would have been false. Take that for what its worth