Longer legs and snouts

Hello I'm looking for dogs of the past I'm finding not breed into much, the Scot type American Bulldogs, they are the taller, lean, longer snouts, smaller yet blocky heads the dogs in my option, the Scott name was know for in history of the American Bully

 

The AB is a modern breed re-creation that was marketed since the late 80's-90's as the closest living relative to the 16th century Elizabethan era "bulldog". The foundation dogs' peds were made out of thin air and only go back to the late 50's. Scott got out of the dogs for a while, when he got back in he got some dogs from Bill Hines (RIP) in Harlingen TX. Most notably Scott's Ranger dog who was Hines' Bishops littermate from a famous litter in that "standard" AB world. I knew Bill since the early 90's, he had a special needs son and my dad was his Dr. So my dad wouldn't charge him and Bill wouldn't charge us for pups or stud fees after a while. I had pups off Bossman, Romeo, Jimbo, Daisy Mae, Twinkle Toes, Bishop etc and bred to Bishop twice when Hines had him on loan around 98. I placed most with friends, kept a few Bishop dogs I really liked as house dogs. The standard "working" AB is smaller, has a longer muzzle to breath in hold, preferably not undershot, some are taller. Basically bred so they won't run hot and have a heat stroke in 5 min like the bigger AB's. Some hunters say they are white so they can see them during night hunts. Bill told me they were mostly white because when the breed became popular it's the color that sold best, lol.

Bill Hines was a charismatic salesman type, a lot like Carver but without all the illegal activities, lol. When he was getting older I helped him do some breeding's back in the day. His formula I liked for the catch dogs was breeding heavier big boned, big headed, square males like Country boy, Bossman, Bishop, Loky etc, many of which he got from Rayburn Stover in Alabama, to smaller athletic proven hogdog females, many from Jay Dorseys hunting lodge in Carolina, and papered them. They called them old southern white and "White English" to describe those un-papered woods dogs. A lot of these woods dogs look a lot like the bigger white Colby dogs of old like Pincher and Kager. IMO it's not hard to figure out the formula and how these dogs were made over time. Hines was also into other breeds, he had African Boerboels he got from Blackwell. There's a lot of skeletons in those Hines peds that don't show up, lol. Out of respect for the dead and my word, I will take them to my grave too.

Scotts Website,
http://owlhollowkennels.homestead.com/

Dorsey,
https://www.dorseyslodge.com/hunting.htm

Stover,
https://www.facebook.com/groups/149029009136837/

Bishop's owner,
http://aspenrarekennel.com/home

Here's a working bred Scott female with many familiar dogs way back in the ped. Chamucos Boo in the ped was a gyp I got from Stover and gifted to my Godson.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=3030643-diamond-garcia-of-as

Best all around litter I got from the AB's was when I took Sweet-N-Lows sister to Bishop.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=1643576-sandershines-bishop
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=956029-hines-sweet-n-low

 

Just realized this is in the APBT bloodlines, wrong section. We know there's only one authentic bulldog, the rest are mutts.

 

100% made up breed , developed in the late 50s-60s , big boom in the 1980s ,,

 

Not my cup of tea either,but intersting reading.

 

I always thought the guy behind those dogs was called johnson

 

You are right Johnson was.

 

Don Matthews Owner of Konfederate Kennels.

 

stay safe over there david mate.

 

Yes I'm new to this online breed, sry if posted in wrong area, researching "game dogs" some of the best if not all, are bloodlines very tightly line breed dogs the so called "great bloods" where out crossed to a colored dog then tightly breed again produced your historical dogs, my LaRona"rusty" of Scott, is 100% "game" not towards dogs, yet she's an alpha so if disrespected, I can't let that happen... She is trained and proven on both beaver and coyotes. She's removed some "YouTube star" coyotes outta city parks. So the citizens can walk their fluffy around.

I work in ADC and the ablitiy to remove all animals not just the breeding pair "isn't talked about much yet happens daily by state and federal employees" the kits/pups once the adults are removed "Trapping, Hunting, Helicopter Shooting or Poisoned" makes these dogs worth their weight in Gold. None "game" dogs fail removing beaver if the handler makes an error and hasn't gotta all adults from that den, yes its highly frowned on, the power beaver tails hit with turns that "game" dog into "castor" fearing dogs most won't enter a bank den again, extreme cases dogs often fear some perfumes, shampoos and other items that use castor, I have trained several "game" lines for this job and find dogs with the OLDER Scott blood on paper to be "game" dogs.

Yes in your history the papers ended after the color dog was crossed so the history of that blood unkown. One old article about game dog men "The best recipes aren't shared" Yet had puppys had peds given out buy the several and let me say very confusing registrations offered to Pittbull buyers. That said I gotta say "paper don't make GAME dogs, paper sells dogs to people that don't need game dogs". I'm looking for stud/frozen of older Scott type Bulldogs the ones paper pushers, Johnson and most other bulldog guys dislike, longer legs, smaller blocky heads, longer snouts, for my dogs of the future, no I'm not asking or want papers, I want game dogs to work for me and other professionals, none will ever be for sale or end up in shelters.

 

When people talk bloodlines and purebred or as stated above "made up" I get these dogs in most of them "bloodlines" they just love yet...