Protein Powder????

Hello All,

I have recently realized that my dogs were not doing well on their current food. I have switched them to the recently talked about Science Diet ZD and everything is going great.

My question is, on days that I bust their ass on the weight pull track, i'd like to give them some extra protein for their muscles. I'd heard from someone on here earlier, that human protein powder would work great. I wam wondering if any of you have given this to your dogs for post work out recorvery? If so, how much (grams) were you supplementing? I know I can use eggs, chicken breasts, etc, but I wondered about protein powder.

Thanks,
Andrew

 

ive never heard of using protein powder. maybe just buy a higher protein food. i know they make a creatine/glutamine mix to give to dogs. the glutamine really helps with muscle repair after a hard workout.

 

Whey protein a fast and great for post work out in humans. I have known some people to use it for their dogs. You could use the unflavored kind and mix it with som chicken stock. Creatine and Glutamine will also help build some mass on your dog.

 

I see Scotsman. How much are we talking though, of each. Protein, glutamine, and creatine. I know how much I take for these things, so I could just use it for the dogs 2-3 times a week. Anyone else got ideas? I know some of you do.

NEW: I need to feed this diet, it is finally something that is not giving my dogs the ass explosions I have came so used to cleaning up from their INDOOR kennels on aweekly basis. Suprisingly, it has worked pretty good. Nice firm turds.

Anyone know about protein/creatine/glutamine?

Thanks,
Andrew

 

Here is some blunt truth:

The reason why your dogs are constantly having nutritional issue IS YOU. Human and Animal nutritional needs differ greatly. Just because you have been able to pack some muscles in your body does not give you BASIC know how to responsibly experiment with the diet of your animals. Stop all your nonsense and pick a good kibble AND stick to it.

Enough already.

 

I always just gave 1 scoop after their workout w/ 1tsp creatine. If you want to throw in glutamine, use 1tsp 2x/daily. Morning and after the workout. Body Fortress from Wal-Mart runs very cheap and is good enough.

 

ROCKY: I have tried many different types of dog food. I am not 'experimenting' with their diet. I have tried Diamond Naturals, Innova, and EVO. I know 2 of those 3 are FREAKING excellent choices of dog food, so I did have 'quality kibble' and their fucking asses were exploding!

Did you read my original post? I am just looking for something after their workouts, NOT EVERY DAY STUFF. It is called supplementing, I have a food that is not making their asses shoot out crap.

WWII: That was the type of information I was talking about, I appreciate your post. I think it was you who I talked to a while about this. Thanks WWII.

BY THE WAY: I just did a search (which I should have did first) and have a lot of information.....thanks to those who posted.

 

We use muscle up powder for our Agility and weight pull dogs. It gives nice definition and also helps with muscle fatigue. It's not protein powder but it works great and I notice I can work my dogs longer and harder than with out it. It comes with a small and a large scoop. I use just the small scoop in the am when I feed. Before a show or a trial I will up it to twice a day.


Here is the link
http://www.lambertvetsupply.com/Muscle-Up-Powder-for-Dogs-8-ounce--pr--015AMP018


AniMed
Muscle-UP™ a premium fast-absorbing vitamin and mineral muscle enhancing supplement containing Gramma Oryzanol Creatine and DMG. Gamma Oryzanol is an all-natural alternative to prescription anabolic steroids and Creatine the "natural steroid" are rapidly gaining a reputation for promoting muscle growth and strength. DMG is an active metabolite (vitamin-like nutrient) known for its ability to retard lactic acid accumulation while improving oxygen utilization energy stamina performance endurance and muscle recovery time. Muscle-UP™ also contains the essential muscle nutrients; Vitamin E Folic Acid Potassium Calcium Phosphorus Iron Manganese Copper Cobalt. Muscle-UP™ is an easy to use powder which can be mixed with your pets normal food ration; no messy liquids or difficult to use pills.
RECOMMENDED DOSAGE:
Feed 1 teaspoon per day mixed with normal food ration. Amount and frequency may be varied or as recommended by a veterinarian.
EACH OUNCE CONTAINS (not less than):
Gamma Oryzanol 1000 mg Creatine 1000 mg Vitamin E 875 IU DMG 450 mg INGREDIENTS:
Gamma Oryzanol Creatine DMG Vitamin E Folic Acid Sodium Chloride Potassium Chloride Sucrose Dextrose Calcium Gluconate Dicalcium Phosphate (a source of iron manganese copper cobalt selenium) Sodium Citrate Magnesium Sulfate Ascorbic Acid Niacin Thiamine Zinc Sulfate ferrous Sulfate Silica natural fiber and Melojel

 

lol @ advertisements.

Gramma Oryzanol is a spin-off of Gamma Oryzanol.
http://www.drugs.com/npc/gamma-oryzanol.html

Creatine is no where near a natural steroid. Use Muscle-up if it works for you, but all that blend consists of is Creatine and some DMG that does little to nothing. IMO, you're better off getting a tub of creatine and feeding a tsp daily. You'll get more than that 1g of creatine you're currently feeding for a better price.

 

what I posted was taken directly from the website. lol
I will have to say I see a huge difference in my dogs when they are taking it. I have a dog that doesn't have great definition and I have never been able to get him look great till I tried him on this stuff. I don't buy into fads, I just use what works for my dogs. The only side effect I found is my males are a little edgier when they are on it.

 

My previous post was not in response to your OP only. I have kept an eye on your "history" of posting regarding kibbles. I tried to help you but it seems you did not want my guidance. That is why I stopped posting to you altogether.

I will make one final attempt to HELP you realize what you are doing wrong.

yes, you have tried "many different types of dog food". That is a big problem. If memory serves me right, you have tried all the aforementioned kibble brands within a 10-month period (if that much). I advised you awhile ago to give each kibble AT LEAST 3 months. When you came back with your concerns, i told you to REDUCE their feed by 1/2 and then watch for changes. I dare say you did not do as advised. Instead, you jumped from one kibble to another to another. The best solution would have been to reduce feed and gradually increase (after 3 weeks @ reduced feed) until you found the correct quantity for your dogs.

It is my guess that your dogs were having exploding asses because you were feeding them too much. In other words, you continued to feed them the same # of cups without considering that quality kibble are more nutritious and therefore should be fed less.

If you still do not believe me, here is another point. Your "butt" issue was with all your dogs. This fact reinforces my thoughts that the problem is with the quantity of feed not necessarily with the kibble.

Yes, I know what supplements infer. I was a physical trainer while in college. Not only that, i learn about human workouts from a man who held a PhD in physical development......He became confident in my understanding of both muscular development and diet for the athlete before i reached 12th grade. So yep, i know what supplementation entails.

The most likely reason why the "average at best" kibble is not "making their asses shoot out crap" is because of its lower nutritional value. So, although you may be feeding the same QUANTITY, its nutritional value is lower than your previous choices. I assure you that "exploding asses" would come back if you fed them TWICE the amount you feed them now.

Your solution was: finding a lower quality kibble so that the amount you have set to feed will not cause over nutrition which will lead to "exploding butts". You should have stayed with a quality feed and CUT quantity. You did not do this.

Less IS more. A good quality kibble and light raw protein supplementation is most likely all they will ever need.

Good luck in your learning. Some people need to learn by their own mistakes.

 

I just used vanilla whey protein powder today! I only use it for smoothies. I bought mine at Wal-mart, and you can look at my food journal on my spark page for the calories in the scoop. I used one scoop in my smoothie.
Its good for every dogs.
Just try it.

 

I just bought some, bitch has been on it two days. I will keep ya'll posted. I know this much so far, her energy level and willingness to keep on going even when i get tired has increased already!
Show in may conditioning to the fullest!
If she don't win some kina ribbon (I'm not talking for participation) I'm gonna get arrested!

 

call me crazy- but i dont think you are going to see noticible results in just 2 days. placebo effect mostly if anything

 

Must be something good if the non-user is having a placebo effect. lol....

 

Maybe it's just the Bulldog coming outta her. But yes I as you were kinda like "yeah ok" What would you say? Give it a few weeks to notice real results?

 

All I will say is this. ..

If you have chosen to feed Science Diet in ANY form you are not doing your dogs any favors. Even their best diets are not all that great especially for the price.

I work as a pet nutrition specialist and I see people every day who have problems with SD. They think because a vet, who had 1 class about nutrition in school taught by Hill's Science Diet, recommends the food it must be good.

The truth is that almost all of the formulas have By-products, corn, wheat, soy and even peanut hulls. Furthermore, they are preserved with chemicals that are known carcinogens.

Feedings these foods will only result in problems in the long run. The low quality proteins and grains will eventually cause your animals system to break down. Meanwhile you won't notice anything because they pump so many chemicals into it in order to cover up any "reaction" your dog might show you.

Just look at the sensitive skin formula. It has every grain in the book and byproducts. How can this help sensitive skin? Look at the long long list of words you cannot pronounce. Those are chemical preservatives and additives meant to make your dogs skin not inflame. The problem is they are not healthy for your dog in large doses, ie forever, and your dog will eventually have kidney, liver or other damage because of these.

I know you mean well and probably want to feed a good food. But you must find one with good ingredients. If you fed EVO and had problems you have 1 of 2 problems, overfeeding because its extremely high protein and requires you feed A LOT less. Or, your dog is allergic to whatever meat source it was ie. the Beef or the Chicken.

Either way, Good luck.

But, knowing what I know about Science Diet I couldn't be silent.

 

Oh. . .and green tripe right before a workout will help your dogs stamina. . .

we weight pull so I would know.

 

Science Diet sucks. Like, alot. Ever tried Blue Buffalo?

 

I'd give it 6 weeks or so to really evaluate any improvements. Even the strongest AAS wouldn't affect performance in 2 days. And this supplement is far far far away from AAS.