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Puppy Pricing and Opinion

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by tap_out_1984, Nov 10, 2022.

  1. Looking to buy my first dog in many years and pricing seems all over the place. I know some of these dogs are sold solely off of name at crazy prices 3k+. I want to believe that you can get a good dog for much less then that. Everything is up though so maybe I am wrong. What would you say is a reasonable price for a pup with a good pedigree? Also have found what seems to be a reliable yard somewhat local. Any opionons on KLK? Here is a pedigree of one of the liters I am considering.

    http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=450888
     
  2. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog

    Free to whatever I value the breeding at. I have roughly 7k wrapped up in 1 dog. She was worth it to me. Maybe wouldn't be to the next person.
     
  3. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Price has no bearing on the quality of dogs. A pedigree has no bearing on the folks behind the dog if they are dipshit. The depth of one's knowledge will show through their dogs. Expect good dogs and bad dogs if you breed them long enough. Just be honest with them.
     
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  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yep. I paid $300 for the best male dog I ever had. The very best dog I ever saw was given away as a started young dog. I seen one imported from Russia that had more than $9K tied up in getting a finished/winning dog here. Let's just say the Russian dude had to honor the warranty. Total piece of shit.

    I am not the guy to answer as I think they are all too high. But I am cheap bastard.

    Nice dogs in the pedigree you posted.

    There are only two things that will answer your question and that is time and honesty.

    S
     
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  5. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


    Someone recently said their boy had the best redboy(jeep x but he focused on the redboy) yard on the planet... I said that's a tall claim. He hollered off about last on his buddy did was for 50k. My point was(and like I told him) I'm not being disrespectful I'm just saying there's so many "redboy yards"(of countless different strains)and redboy xs yards(from all those strain with any cross you can imagine and a few more) in the world you can never say "the best" without seeing them all.

    I promise you some straight bullshit has gone for WAY more than 50k and plenty of amazing shit happened in the back yard for ego's....
     
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  6. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    I have a few rules when spending good $ especially on pups. The breeder has got to have a verified track record. I need to see others having success with their stock. Pedigree needs to be full of verified dogs. Not out back rather up front first 4 generations. There needs to be siblings to the dogs that are good not just freaks. A well put together family avg. Lastly they got to have a good % of Eli blood because that's just what I prefer. check all the boxes and take my $ lmfao
     
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  7. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    I Think Ben just paid $2.5 k for a dog....but it was off one of the best producing dogs around. Probably paid a good chunk on top of that to get it here from Mexico. Considering all that went into making that dog, 2-3k isn't really that bad especially considering inflation and what it takes to produce these dogs. Even a cur is 20 times the dog we are seeing sold in the bully market for 5-10k. I almost bought a dog from Mexico and the breeder sent me video's of him schooling and then getting a win....which of course I did not watch because I would never watch anything illegal. But I saw for myself what this dog had and I could have gotten a pup off him for $1600 shipped. I consider that a very fair price. I contacted Ben's breeder but decided to go a different route with a local dog I paid only $700 for.

    This dog is completely insane, still won't stop biting me at 5 months (although not as hard) and still pisses in the house. I have spent another $2k on her for all the different indoor and outdoor set ups I need to live with her because she is just nuts. I keep feeding her and working her everyday because she might turn out to be the best dog I ever had....certainly has the highest prey drive, but I hav waaaay more than several thousand dollars in aggravation tied up in her.

    The point is, if you get a really good dog, and I like the way the one you posted is bred, than 1 or 2 k is not that much in the larger scheme of things.
     
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  8. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    If that litter is local to you, and you have the chance to go and pick the best (to you) dog, and you liked how it looked, then I would have no problem paying good money. There is a POR and a Ch up front in the grandparents, yes? Now of course you don't know if the parents are proven, but I would say $1500 is not unreasonable.

    Keep in mind, I am the least experienced person on this thread, so consider that.
     
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  9. The litter is local and priced at $1500. Which honestly I felt like was a fair price. Agreed what is paid in the bully market is just nuts. The 3k dogs I was referring to I would call the "celebrity breeders" . When you go to their sites it's all about the names they sold to. I have also ran into a local breeder who has a brindle that pulls at my heart strings for 1k deep eli/carver/redboy roots that I think I might jump on. Again I feel like a more then reasonable price. Thanks for all the input.
     
  10. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog

    A Huge factor for me is being able to see the litter in person and pick your pup. Plus you don't have to drive (I've driven a thousand miles for a dog) or pay shipping/transport. The dog I was talking about was from Black Rock's Little Red and might be my pick if I wanted to compete in he fast lane, which of course I Don't as it os illegel. Then again I might have a $700 dog that is as good as the 3k dogs. People will pay over 3k for dogs off proven producers, but if you just want a pet there is no reason for that. I've probably said too much, lol. But 1500 for no drive, that ped, and picking from the litter sounds like a smart route.
     
  11. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    This is solid advice. If I were willing to spend money this would also be my checklist.

    Checking these boxes will not guarantee anything but it will sway the odds toward success and you can walk away with a puppy and the warm fuzzies.

    One really can't place a dollar value on the warm fuzzies.

    S



     
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  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I like to make up fictional shit and tell a bunch of lies so I can feel like I can be a relevant part of the conversation. I think if you admit to telling lies from the jump people really can't look at you sideways down the road........

    ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [446148] :: K&W'S CORN (online-pedigrees.com) (not sure it is a public link, don't have peds)

    This dog was bought for $300 as an 8 week old puppy. Kasai cost a serious chunk from his breeder. Miss Two Eyes was a pretty good chunk as well.

    After he was of age there was a guy in the mountains of NC who wanted to breed to Kasai. He brought a female and the "baddest 41 pound male in the country" off GRCH Barracuda. This male cost $$$$$, way north of a whole lot of money, to get him here. He told us to have two dogs ready because it was his last check and they had some tentative plans for a $25K gathering. Cornbread was 39 or so on the chain and he was the first up. In just shy of ten minutes he had seen all he wanted and a lot of what he did not want to see. Then a couple hours of aftercare and unfortunately, he went home with just one bred bitch.

    Cornbread's sister Chloe went up north to a camp that was oh so impressive. We were 'set up' as they say. 61 minutes later we rode home as happy as all get out.

    Cornbread had a special date on his calendar soon after. When we got out of the truck at the show I bumped into the owner of the Barracuda male mentioned earlier. He was with the other camp and betting with them....til he saw Cornbread. He walked backed to the truck and they argued, then came over and said their dog was sick and they were paying the forfeit. I was young and a drinker at the time so my mouth started to spew-off. I still think it was chicken shit move but I later apologized for calling them chicken shits in front of a crowd.

    At that gathering there were two males going for $15K and a CH. They were both good dogs, really good dogs but I felt Cornbread was better than the both of them. And again, young and by then, getting drunk. I let everyone know and that was disrespectful to the men that were in the box, the dogs in the box and to the game in general. Again, I later apologized, not for what I said, but the fact the place and time I chose to say it.

    I told them if 2XW winner #1 was pitted with Cornbread a 9PM he would be done by 9:30 and if they would give me ten minutes to wipe his mouth out, he would be done with the second 2XW by 10:15 and we would all be telling stories on the ride home by 10:30.

    When his sister Chloe was hooked for her second money was tight. I had some unexpected home repairs and that dipped into the dog money. I was in a financial bind. I sold Cornbread to a well-known dog man for $1500. He paid me $300 to deliver him an hour or so from home and then gave me $100 for a ragged ass crate held together with zip ties. And then another $100 for general purpose.

    I put the dog in his car and I pulled off. Later I found out he slid the dog out the other side of the car and sold him for $4500 on my word, my mentor's word and they had no issue paying $4500 on his word. He went to the very area of the two dogs who went for a CH the night Cornbread collected a forfeit.

    They do things a lot bigger than I would ever dream of doing, like as much as it cost me to build myu house. They invited a guy that owned a dog named Panther, several of the people from that show and put their best 43lb male on Cornbread and made him push the weight. Within a handful of minutes, they said go get so and so off the chain. In another handful of minutes, the result was the same. Over the next few weeks Cornbread created a number of chain spaces for them.

    I then got a phone call that said, "I appreciate the fact you were man enough to call and apologize for the disrespectful shit you spewed that night but with what I just saw, you did not lie. The only thing I will say is that I don't think would have taken the full thirty minutes for either. But, it was still disrespectful". (I wanted to say sometimes the truth hurts but I figured I would take the smaller victory and be happy with that)

    The biggest thing to make me truly know they felt that way is that I started to field calls from a number of people offering $$$$$ for anything remotely close to Cornbread. And me being the dumbass that I am, I turned down enough money to buy a new truck for Cornbread's sister and his half-brother. I am a true dumbass because that male won two matches for what would be pennies on the dollar compared to what I could/should have sold him for....and to this day those two W's are worth more. Any ding-a-ling can spend money, but no ding-a-ling can buy memories. I'm still a dumbass for thinking that way (big picture)

    I paid $300 for Cornbread and his sister was given to me by the guy that bought her for $300 when she did not fit into the family life. His half-brother won twice, and he was gifted as well. When I bred him to his half-sister I kept one and gave four away to people I thought would be honest with them.

    Babbling again. Money has absolutely nothing to with the quality of a dog or the potential/probable success of said dog. Period. Justifying the amounts by either the buyer or the seller on things like time and effort, a care and housing and medicines and all the things that cost money. None of that factors. Those are just things to talk about as there is no equation where money spent equals quality received, and that goes both ways.

    Again, fictional stories where the $$$$$$ crosses paths with the $$$ and neither money amount dictates the eventual outcome. Good dogs are just good dogs, everything else is just conversation.

    S















     
  13. Your a great fictional story teller. Appreciate it.
     
  14. GrChHaunch

    GrChHaunch Top Dog


    I am sure that is sarcasm, LOL....having said that, I think the guy from the NC mountains was in fact "The Mountain Man" but I could be wrong.
     
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  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Nope. But lived just down the road from there.

    S




     
  16. Ssdd

    Ssdd CH Dog


     
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  17. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    I noticed Mr. Garner has a discount currently on his array of litters. [Not a plug for him or any others.] I’ll opine he knows a thing or two about working pedigrees tho.

    Helps to be in a network of fanciers of the type of dog/pup you seek. My best dog to date was given to me free by a member of my training circle - as he was too much dog/liability for the original owner. Principle of loss/gain etc..

    If your time/efffort is of high value to you, then the the whatever initial cost will pale in comparison to the next 9-13 years with the dog. JMO!
     
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