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Raw diet

Discussion in 'Health & Nutrition' started by CopperOFRN, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I am not a nutritionist nor a scientist but I can see the theory of feeding raw green tripe (stomach from a ruminant animal) and that tripe will have both broken down plant matter as well as enzymes to break down plant matter.

    In theory feed tripe would help a dog assimilate plant matter but I don't think there is enough enzyme nor does it stay in a dog's tract long enough.

    I use some greens (turnip/spinach) anyway, especially in the winter months on the outside dogs. There is no nutritional value but it is a 'hard digest' for the dogs. Their gut will work on it to no avail but it creates body heat in the process.

    There is a sled dog article about the subject but I can't remember the title or where I read it. They tested adding veggie mixes to the dogs diet to help the maintain temperature in the night.

    Sometimes I wonder if I read it, it sounded good and I went with it and have not seen any obvious ill effects. From there it gives me the warm fuzzies so I go with a few veggies here and there. LOL

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  2. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Dogs, wolves included, are not true Carnivores. They are Omnivores and their bodies do actually derive nutrients from both meat and plant matter. They require fiber in their diets and you can't get that from meat.

    Cats are true carnivores. They can not process plant materials.

    That's why most any raw diet for dogs is more involved than just throwing a piece raw meat in front of the dog.
     
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  3. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Interesting. All of the reading of done always describes wolves as being true carnivores or facultative carnivores which means they are carnivores but can benefit more from plants than a obligate carnivore(cats) However, they dont actually need to eat plants. I know a few old school guys that feed only meat and their dogs are phenomenal. I do believe that some breeds probably benefit more from a mixed diet. Either way, I’ll probably never be able to feed 100% meat with two kids throwing anything and everything to the dogs.
     
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  4. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I should not have added wolves. There's some back and fourth scientifically with them but I guess they saying at this point in time that they are now considered true carnivores. Dogs are still classified as Omnivores though.
     
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  5. Hazko

    Hazko Big Dog

    What about the grains ? Any nutritional value
     
  6. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    for sure, and I’ve seen with my own eyes the difference in behavior and performance. I gave my boys 3lbs of bad meat(on more than one occasion) and they are perfectly fine each time. I did it with copper for the past 11 years. Nothing bothers him. On the other hand, my buddies bully gets violently ill from raw meat. I start my guys young which I’m sure helps maintain the enzymes in their stomach to process raw anything. Copper has definitely gone months on only raw and been fine. If I can consistently get 12 years out of a dog and they are happy and perform well- I don’t care what they eat. I can also tell you veggies cause a messy stool and all meat cause a tiny stool that disintegrates in a day or two. The argument of the old heads I talk with is that their dogs are from working stock and therefore have maintained the ability digest and survive off only meat. Maybe they’re crazy, and maybe they’re brilliant.
     
  7. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    A dog can " survive" on just about anything like a scavenger. However when talking about k9 athletes that's a whole different conversation in itself. If they rely on the conversion of carbs/sugar for their energy they going to run hot and fall flat and be pushing lactic acid at a rapid pace. That's exactly what you get when you are feeding carbs/grains in a ratio around 15-20% of calories. 60%fat,30%protein 10% carbs of calories change the biochemistry. You end up with something that is converting the fat as the first scorce of energy and pumping oxygen into the muscles the same as a sled dog. Feed grains , vegetables and carbohydrates for a month at 15-20% have a RBC count done then 60,30,10% fat protein and carbs and you will notice the difference between " survive" and thrive.
     
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  8. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Yes- I’d agree it can be beneficial for competition dogs. When I lived in Alaska you wouldn’t believe the shit they fed those dogs. For the most part(just fish) I always pictured sled dogs as being beautiful malamutes or huskies. However, the best ones I saw looked like mangy coyotes. Usually mixed with some type of hound. Another conversation. I guess my whole point is that for all intents and purposes a family pet could survive(thrive) on only meat. The fattier- the better. I’m surrounded by people who believe 50% grains/veggies are necessary and that’s just not the case. I also know some vegan dogs(no good) AGK, frozen Eli, Michelle, have gotta make video sharing easier, lmao. Maybe I should take a technology class
     
  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    Spot on.

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  10. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    http://www.mushing.com/nutrition-rendering-sense-feeding-fat

    Real life research vet who is a real life musher. Dr. Arleigh Reynolds.

    So ironic that a thousand years ago the dogs were fed left over whale blubber as the staple of their diet. Then us as people being brain surgeons switched them over to a carb filled/high protein diet ( bag food at that) because that works for us as athletes. Then with research on actual dog doing work those sledders from a thousand year ago were much more on target for feeding the performance canine.

    It is a good read.

    https://www.sportsvet.com/information-pages/a3-feeding-the-canine-athlete/

    Another good one as well.

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