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Redboy Family

Discussion in 'APBT Bloodlines' started by Bxpits, Oct 2, 2009.

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  1. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    Hey Crushbones, can you tell me about merengue cause my boy has a littermate brother and I havent heard anything but good things about him. Insight would be nice.
    Thanks, J
     
    therealjudge, Jul 12, 2013
    #181
  2. magnoilaotis

    magnoilaotis Top Dog

    There has been and still are some great all around dogs linebred on redboy. So, either you meant to say inbred redboy dogs or you simply don't know what you are talking about. If you meant inbred you may have an argument, but not much of one since you have not seen every dog walking the planet.
     
    magnoilaotis, Jul 12, 2013
    #182
  3. casey

    casey Banned

    how would you get ahold of brian bailey if he is still breeding ?
     
    casey, Jul 12, 2013
    #183
  4. therealjudge

    therealjudge CH Dog

    google his name and see what comes up
     
    therealjudge, Jul 12, 2013
    #184
  5. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    Another generalization thread. There really isn't such thing as "Redboy family". Redboy is a lineage, involved to one degree or another, light to heavy and in between, that is behind some dogs.
    A "family" is found on one's yard, or the yards of those associates who share the raising of that particular nucleus of dogs.
    As Mag said, we do tend to lump dogs and generalize. I've said for a long time that there is no basis for judging whole lineages. It's impossible anyway. They aren't all done or bred the same way on a yard to yard basis. Not even close. And to judge dogs you've seen perhaps a tiny percentage of, is absolutely moot and a reach beyond having any validity. Yet, many seem to do that routinely.
    You may say: "We're talking about the average Redboy dog", and again, no validity. There is no average Redboy dog. There are only dogs that are the average dog on any certain one's yard.
    I guess it will take forever for people to stop lumping, bagging and tagging, and generalizing whole lineages of dogs, as well as judging dogs and things you haven't seen. It's not viable or even possible
     
    TDK, Jul 12, 2013
    #185
  6. caelel

    caelel Banned

    we'll said:)
     
    caelel, Jul 12, 2013
    #186
  7. NorCalTim

    NorCalTim Big Dog

    I agree to a point. Dogs vary.
    Humans do categorize in order to help us understand and work with things.
    I would not rule out a "line" of dogs from word of mouth, or what not.
    I would however want to add a "line" of dogs do to word of mouth, etc. Or at least check them out do to the great reputation of a particular line.

    For instance, the Sorrells line is known to be very human friendly. Redboy throws great winded dogs as well as game dogs (many would say).

    So to base a line (or at least check out the dogs for yourself) off some Sorrells and to add in a little Redboy, one would most likely get some very human friendly, long winded dogs. That is just one generalization about how people may use others past experience to apply to their line.
     
    NorCalTim, Jul 12, 2013
    #187
  8. crushbones

    crushbones CH Dog

    I kno exactly wtf I'm talkin about!!...u show me a linebred bred Redboy dog that's has won more than 1 into reputable kennels??...I'm not talkin about 15yrs ago either!!..I've been a lot of places and haven't seen one shake shit!!...anybody can make a dog a winner going against garbage!...who did these Redboy dogs go into to make them such monsters linebred???....atown said he won 4 and u all say hes highly talked about, so u can tell me who he went into???...I'm not trying to see every dog that walk this planet!..until I start seeing them wit my "own eyes" then I'll believe it!!...until then keep wishful thinking!
     
    crushbones, Jul 12, 2013
    #188
  9. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    ^^^You opened with Dogs vary. Yes they do, and they also change in the continuum of generations. I understand your logic. Not here to discredit it. But as you breed dogs, if you cross in hopes of one trait to another, creating the best of both worlds, you must realize that almost unanimously, you will get a yield of the average of each side.
    As far as hearsay goes, or what certain lineages of dogs seem to be known for to some folks, I think you readily implied that the seeing with your own eyes of such lore is what one must do in order to KNOW what might work as you hoped. My point again, is that those things are not learned or seen by generalizing whole lineages, nor are they learned or seen by judging dogs one has never seen. It is all done, SOLELY on the nucleus of dogs you're working with. Any other considerations are a ghost of what you need to see and learn, especially the generalization of lineages the likes of which you have mere hearsay upon which to act.
    It's a fact, that even if you have seen a hundred Redboy dogs, you STILL have to choose a dog or small group of dogs to work with, that you have seen and like.
     
    TDK, Jul 12, 2013
    #189
  10. 87buick

    87buick Top Dog

    Wow, the you must be the definition of who the world of game dogs has to compete against. Listen since the power of the Internet there has been thousands who have started yards.
    So your saying Atown and co, picked there spots with Merenque? It's international
    Most Americans are not ever going to know them kennels. It still don't take the fact away that line bred Redboy animal won 4. According to you that should of never happened because they were not famous American kennels? Really.
     
    87buick, Jul 12, 2013
    #190
  11. crushbones

    crushbones CH Dog

    Tdk I respect ur opinion and ur post!...I am not say Redboy dogs as a whole are not worthy, I would never say that!...the only thing I'm saying is to compete on a high level Redboy dogs pure, line bred will be hard to win with because lines like j/rb/r...j/rb/j...rb/jocco...Eli/carver/rb...etc, etc...ur line of dogs is at least a 3 or 4 way cross!...it's good to have these "pure" dogs on the yard but they are tools to establish a better dog!...I'ma stop talkin and let these other cats believe wat they want!...once again tdk!..I respect ur post and ur opinion!...u have maintain a helluva line for awhile now and I respect any dogman who has did wat u have!
     
    crushbones, Jul 12, 2013
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  12. crushbones

    crushbones CH Dog

    So if u didn't see it or him how can u say its true??...lol
     
    crushbones, Jul 12, 2013
    #192
  13. ragedog10

    ragedog10 Top Dog

    I get where you are coming from Crush, i have seen a ton of inbred Redboy who were game with no real mouth pre 76 and i have seen some who could have been mistaken for Eli dogs. On average Redboy are known to be game dogs, when crossed one hopes to get best of both worlds. I know of a Ch who was game to the core who went into great comp and won 4 times , his son has done the same thing his whole life coming from behind to finish first. To win you to have a mixture of both as mouth alone won't get you there every time and neither will just gamness. On average things balance themselves out in . But in the end if your not breeding game dogs you will end up with 20min hard mouthed curs. On a side note i love them Shorty Cowboy dogs. Yis Ole Man.
     
    ragedog10, Jul 12, 2013
    #193
  14. TDK

    TDK CH Dog Staff Member

    I thank you, Crush. My post was actually directed as reply to NorCaltim. As far as ANY line goes, including my own, I believe in filial degeneration if one doesn't use a little catalyst once in at least a blue moon. I know where you're coming from. My own was originally a rather fifty-fifty and through the years I've crossed maybe 4 times to it with only a scant few different mutts. I've always folded back good ones from doing so right back into my best mutts, as I don't want change. I just want to maintain with proper vigor.
    I've always maintained some tighter dogs. Competitiveness is something I've basically only paid attention to within my own except for knowing the cross to dogs I used very well. I never really wanted to pay too much attention to what another is doing, but to give them credit when they have a nice one. Again, thank you for the sentiment, and again, I wanted to address Tim, and do so without criticizing what he said.
     
    TDK, Jul 12, 2013
    #194
  15. magnoilaotis

    magnoilaotis Top Dog

    We must have different definitions of line bred. I have a mutt I say is line bred on Redboy. You know the names deacon, boots, redman, peaches etc. These dogs were then bred to varying dogs and bloodlines such as jeep, turtlebuster, rascal and some others I can't recall without looking at the ped. The resulting dogs were bred together for two or three gens with my mutt being the result. Now I have well over your three or four way cross threshold criteria for getting good dogs, but the tie that binds it all together from top to bottom is redboy. Linebreeding has nothing to do with "pure". To me it is breeding dogs together that share some similar ancestry up close. I agree with your opinion on "pure" dogs. I have had some and would not hold them up as an example of my ideal dog. To say there aren't any good performers bred this way is wrong, in my opinion, because there is always an exception to most anything.
     
    magnoilaotis, Jul 13, 2013
    #195
  16. crushbones

    crushbones CH Dog

    I see wat u saying mag but I'm talking about stock that has been inbred on on Redboy for 5 or 6 six gens...those dogs that are 152x Redboy..lol...them the dogs I'm talkin about
     
    crushbones, Jul 13, 2013
    #196
  17. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Lack of anything is never really a big deal until you see one of your own go down because they lack somethin...Thats a eye opener.
     
    bamaman, Jul 13, 2013
    #197
  18. Young SeNsE_VA

    Young SeNsE_VA Top Dog

    Bamaman thats a good quote.
     
    Young SeNsE_VA, Jul 14, 2013
    #198
  19. mccoypitbulls

    mccoypitbulls Underdog

    Been folowing this thread for a while. this is experience speaking through right here..well put and very possible..


     
    mccoypitbulls, Jul 14, 2013
    #199
  20. poorfarmkennels

    poorfarmkennels Big Dog

    I've only seen a cpl RB dogs working(merengue and vatra a wcc bitch).

    They were worlds apart in every aspect from what I saw(looks and performance). I just wonder how different the dog mags is talking about is.


    I'd take one of tight bred dogs from good a dogman any day.
     
    poorfarmkennels, Jul 14, 2013
    #200
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