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Saw the results of a Pitbull attack on a man .

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by bamaman, Sep 7, 2021.

  1. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I don't know this man ,he is just another customer I deal with at work.Same old story the dog never showed any aggressive behavior towards man or dog He had a couple other dogs and they were wrestling kinda rough and he took his hat off and swatted them and the so called Pitbull comes off the porch at a full sprint and hits him in the chest and knocked him down.This dam dog unleashed some fury on him .Put him in the hospital,almost lost his thumb .He showed me his arms , legs and this dog did bad things to him Said all the sudden like a light switch dog quit and went back layed on the porch like it never happened.Dog was put down of course.I never said a word just sat there and listened and shook my head.
     
  2. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    2 or 3 other experts was chiming in and no e of them knew anything bout what they was saying.I could have said alot but not first one would have listened.
     
  3. Box Bulldog

    Box Bulldog Premium Member Premium Member

    Horrible thing to happen. Have you ever owned or seen a unpredictable dog like that?
     
  4. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    If the events actually unfolded as claimed, then the dog (the pack leader) perceived a threat and reacted. Bad ass dog. The notion that a dog ‘never displayed aggression before…’ is possible, but unlikely: many don’t know how to read a dog or understand what drives them. Nor do they take the time to train them in the basics and take the leadership position. That an APBT somehow is not ‘real’ because it was aggressive toward humans is another hallucination. They are predatory pack animals. Some are more man-fearless and harder biting/fighting than others..
     
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  5. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I will agree and disagree, maybe not disagree, but better said, elaborate.

    When talking to people about dog bites and they describe the dogs enviroment and how he lives or 'allowed to live' I think they all pretty much give signs. I don't buy into the 'all of a sudden' approach. Mostly because none of the dogs you ever trained were 'all of a sudden' a really good dog.

    Training takes time and a repetitive re-enforcement of a desired effect. Negative actions pretty much take the same path. Over time certain things are allowed and not corrected then they become "OK". In the above case I bet if the history of the dog is explored there are a number of occasions where the dog said, 'this will eventually happen'.

    Where I really agree is that most do not recognize the signs or better said do not spend enough quality time with the dog to see the signs. I had Fila Braileiros for a stretch and their signs are overt and out there so it is easy to see what they are willing and capable of doing. Some of those early signs I see in other dogs now. If it were not for the Filas I would be one of the 'all of a sudden' and 'he never did that before' believers.

    I have had one bulldog in all my years that tried to bite me with ill will. He gave me a few signs here and there and he was becoming such a good dog I talked myself into being able to make sure all went well. At some point he decided to amp up is side of the bargaining table on who owned that piece of land where he lived.

    Owning dogs, not just bulldogs or working dogs, but any dog is so much more responsibility than most think.

    Our delivery guy now walks with a cane and will never walk up right because a rescue group/no-kill shelter felt they could work thru some really bad issues in a pit bull mix (as a norm they take the pit bull look with the other dog's size which doubles down on any negative issues). The dog chased him to the truck and they informed the delivery company he was gone. On his next delivery he did not make it to the truck and his hamstring was pulled away from the bone.

    Babbling but my point is the weak link is always the people involved a bit more than the animal involved as we were suppose to have domesticated theses creatures.

    S
     
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  6. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    Older fella in his 50s prob bout 250 lbs prob not in the greatest shape but dog may would have ended him if he didn't up and quit.
     
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  7. FrozenEli

    FrozenEli Premium Member Premium Member

    There are always signs!
     
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  8. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I think @FrozenEli is right, there's usually signs, but if you don't have experience of being around them signs (I mean the subtle real ones) then it's hard to see your just about to get taken apart. I took a proper bad beating off a big 50lb male around 5 years ago, mentioned it before on here. bastard wrecked the muscle on inside of my leg, just missed femoral artery thank fck, then switched to fingers of my right hand, but being restricted by extended chain, he couldn't drive into me any further, otherwise I might have been killed.

    There was definitely signs, but because I never owned a quiet, deep, brooding bastard like him before, I always thought dogs that bit you were pretty much wide open in declaring it? Well I don't think that way any more. He caught me from behind (on the calf muscle) as I walked out of his pen, then he went to work on me.. In the end he had grip on my hand, I was content to lose some fingers just to get away, but again because he was restricted by chain. he only had me by teeth at front, so couldn't get a good chew on them.. I got hand out, all fingers intact with some cuts and lost skin, but thought I did ok considering..

    99% of dogs I kept were great around people, but it only takes that one time.. In retrospect the signs were very subtle, but they were there, suppose at the time my radar just wasn't fine tuned enough to identify them :-B
     
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  9. F.W.K.

    F.W.K. B.I.S.

    For sure an proper candidate for the Cuban treatment.
     
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  10. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

    Going to sound bat shit crazy, but I believe a dogs eyes tell his story. I had a 90lb brindle pit mix. He was the sweetest dog, but his eyes looked right through you. I had him for about two years until I made a correction with him, and he bit a hole through my hand. Like see daylight. I wrapped his leash around his neck until I thought he was dead. Started digging a grave and the fucker took off. Ended up with some folks a few miles away only to kill one of their dogs and bite a kid. I told them he should’ve been put down, but everyone is a hero. That dog couldn’t be owned- he owned you. RIP Gator. He gave zero signs because he feared nothing. All other dogs I’ve owned gave obvious signs. He was a bizarre mutt.
     
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  11. CopperOFRN

    CopperOFRN Big Dog

     
  12. tomjones2

    tomjones2 Pup

    Wow! That is a nightmare, I imagine that trauma lingering in the back of your mind in all the interactions with the dogs now.
    A Glock 19 would be a good safety net..:
     
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  13. tomjones2

    tomjones2 Pup

    I owned a Big Shepard mix with similar traits. I tried to put him out of the house and in an instant he bit me on my hip and then chin, before I could even blink. Needles to say, there was no happily ever after. I shudder to think of it was a bulldog with a never say die attitude
     
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  14. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    Glock-19 would have been a god send, although firearms prohibited in UK, however I did develop a system (or strategy) in unlikely event same situation happened again, funny thing, it did happen again, around a year later, I was walking over to the yard and heard screams, it was my partner and litter brother to dog that attacked me was locked on his wrist, shaking fck out of him, shame because they was fairly talented dogs, but couldn't even condition them they was so high strung, bad genetics hidden inside hung pedigrees IMO.
     
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  15. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It happens. Mine was a Boyles/Mayday/RBK type cross. I saw some signs, recognized them for what they were and thought I could still get from Point A to Point B with this dog. Hew was showing to be a really good dog.

    He placed his mouth on me with a growl and I crowned him on the head with a feed scoop. He walked away and his thoughts passed. The next night he did the same but with some pressure and a more threatening growl. Again I popped him on the head with the feed scoop and he lost that track of thinking. The next night he met me at the end of the chain and let me knew he thought he owned that particular parcel of land. He snapped and had ill willed intentions.

    Luckily I never got bit or injured by this one nor any other bulldog I have owned.

    I could only imagine the pain in some of these bite stories.

    S
     
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  16. FrozenEli

    FrozenEli Premium Member Premium Member

    That was a sign as well!
     
  17. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    The way some of these harrowing stories read, seems those particular dogs somehow transitioned from defense (of personal turf/booty) to prey drive - since the human victims were apparently caught off guard initially, then tried to get away, avoid injury etc., similar behavior to a prey animal.

    A dog (without specific training nor the genetics to express) which will on its own (and especially off his turf) target a threatening human who demonstrates a physical and psychological willingness to retaliate head-on, fight and hurt the dog, is not common.
     
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  18. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    IMO the pain (at the time) almost bearable, it's like the worst beating you ever took as a youngster fighting over girls, or bumping into wrong fella when you're drunk and acting tough, but for me it was realisation I was in the yard on my own, so if I'd taken that dog off chain to flirt, or walk him when he decided to turn on me, and if his opportunity of driving into me wasn't restricted by his chain being fully extended, then I'm thinking it could have been lights out for me.. Even today the inside of my left thigh muscle is all mashed up and dented around area of scars that bastard left on me.. The entire grizzly episode maybe only lasted 5 minutes, but felt like a life time, and I never criticize any bulldog since there's no man alive could take the adversity them dogs endure (and enjoy) while out hunting in the woods, I just respect them so much!
     
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  19. brindle

    brindle Big Dog

    I agree, there are always signs, some more subtle than others.

    And with pets, it used to be that biting dogs were put down and not adopted out. Now with the "no kill" mentality, they hide a dog's bite history which does no good for anyone. Take a look at this news story, that dog should have been PTS --

    https://www.citywatchla.com/index.p...cks-victim-hospitalized-in-critical-condition

    The victim lost her arms all because this dog, which was turned in for severely biting a jogger, was adopted out with no mention of his previous history. Pretty sad. These type shelters/rescues value a dog's life over a humans.
     
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  20. FrozenEli

    FrozenEli Premium Member Premium Member

    Ben post Kil Em' All by Metallica.
     
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