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Self Propelled Treadmill vs 400$ carpet mill?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Michael., Sep 28, 2016.

  1. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    For what sport? The scientific fact?

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  2. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog Premium Member

    I value your opinion also Crazyhorse. I know a few things. Still have alot to learn. Lol. Great thread, great information...
  3. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog Premium Member

    Slim, I can't speak for anyone other than what I have seen with my own eyes. Preference is what it comes down to. Both mills are beneficial in there on way. I have also respected your advice and hands on experience.
  4. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I am always ready to learn when someone offers 'science' and 'scientific fact' when working bulldogs. I have no doubts about the science being the basis and background for the inner doings of the work. My issues with using it as a grounds for argument with working or feeding these working dogs. It is always the application of the sciences.

    Once we start using 'what we think' and base it on 'what we have seen' it quickly gets subjective. Once it becomes subjective it becomes more art than science, based on application.

    There is scientific information out there for the guy working the bulldog but there is nothing bulldog specific. The bulldog guy can go to these sources and pick and choose what he likes and apply them as he sees fit. That becomes subjective and then becomes art or opinion. There are no scientific studies available that say whether a carpet mill provides any better conditioning than a slat mill. No university or scientific organization has conducted any studies on the matter. There are studies on people that say anaerobic is this or that for certain activities. The bulldog people can take those studies and apply them as they see fit. The application quickly turns science to subjective thinking and that subjective thinking turns the application into art.

    I am always willing to learn from science. And the scientific data never seems to be offered.

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  5. Slim could you direct me as to where I can purchase the large end rollers like the ones posted above.
    Been searching high and low for weeks with no luck.
  6. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    I build mine.

  7. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    And build them damn well I must add
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  8. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I second that emotion=D>
    Sleep likes this.
  9. Gotcha. Thanks.
  10. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Can't be the price or quality...Slim is good people...he will do u right...I kno from dealing with him
  11. oldguy

    oldguy CH Dog

    I second that emotion too! Slim is 100%\m/
  12. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    I'll 3rd it.
  13. Agreed Sleep.
    The half decade or so I’ve been on the site Slime has always been helpful, seems to be a all around decent fella, his approach is consistent here and on the PB.
    I just prefer much like he does to do the work myself. Hope I didn’t come off to him or anyone else as trying to take money out of his pocket.
  14. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    Nah I didn't take it the wrong way pretty sure the others didn't either...I was just giving him his flower while he alive so to speak lol
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  15. And I spelled the man name wrong… my bad Slim.
  16. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    @slim12 and @AGK are mentors for the young and old they won't steer u wrong they'll help me alot and taught me alot even if they don't kno it
  17. ben brockton

    ben brockton CH Dog

    Can't really debate CH any more. But god damn some of the shit that he would post was just crazy. Do all the h.i.t and muscle building shit you want. Then try your luck and see something that's been free condition. If you ain't back on the road in 45 that's the last trip you will be taking. If ya'll think resistance training is going to beat cardo training your in for a lot of bad Sunday mornings.
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  18. Sleep

    Sleep Big Dog

    I believe it goes hand in hand for insistent u be long winded and weak...or strong and no wind...strong can be long winded if the style fits but both in the same capacity is where many and many dogmen have tried to accomplish and some closer than most

    I train for both but me I believe they are a smooth oil machine..when u got them both
  19. I’ve stolen ( I mean borrowed lol) so much shit from Slim over the years.
    There is a fenced in exercise area 100x20 where every pup here is started at a young age to fetch and where we do our flirt work, an idea borrowed from slim as well.
    Far as CH and being back on the road I have no idea of which you speak lol.
  20. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    Fetch, flirt, tug, etc., imo is overall superior to developing the dog/pup than any type of mill, not to mention building the dog/handler bond and communication will is necessary for work, competitive event. Swimming is a form of resistance training. Running/bicycling along flat road has elements of resistance. Low rep, heavy weight strength training involves cardio/heart - and is scientifically proven to be good for the vascular system. From a training perspective, a free turning slat will be easier for a dog/pup to learn than a high resistance carpet - which is what I use periodically but not exclusively. Each dog is different as is the goal of the handler. # k9_beowulf

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