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Stafford and Pitbull

Discussion in 'Staffordshire Bull Terriers' started by matty, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. matty

    matty Big Dog

    Whats your thoughts on these 2 breeds, if you take working strains of each i consider them all but the same breed. However having never owned a Pitbull i couldnt really make an informed decision, just from what i have read and what i have seen in the very few good staffords around.
  2. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

    well matty.....theres still some real good crosses about....;)
  3. venom

    venom Top Dog

    They aren't the same, similiar, but not the same. They are not even the same by apearence. Working staffords could pass as an APBT by appearence, but not all working APBT could pass as a staff by apearence. This by its self shows the difference in the 2 breeds and the different direction some of the breeding programs have went over the last 100 years. I would say they were the same if they were continually crossed into one another or even every couple generations but it has been a long seperation and breeding goals have probably been slightly different even though they are both working dogs.
  4. mfern004

    mfern004 Big Dog

    They're pretty close to the same breed. If you can find a line of working staffords that has been worked, tested, and bred with the same selectivity as the gamebred bloodlines of the apbt, then what's the difference really? (now finding such a stafford will be the challenge). Assuming the apbt was kept pure after the English and Irish pit dogs were brought to the US (and I believe they were), the only thing separating these dogs is a very large body of water and the preferences of the men who bred them.

    I still consider a good stafford to be a real bulldog.
  5. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

    i beg to differ there venom......i know of a few pbt that very easily pass off as staffs......;)
  6. matty

    matty Big Dog

    Very good post, these are my views also!
  7. venom

    venom Top Dog

    Just because you know of a FEW that can pass as staffs doesn't mean that all American Pitbull Terriers can pass as staffordshires, this was my statement... all working staffordshires could pass as APBT's but not all APBT's could pass as staffords! The APBT is just simply to diverse at this point.
  8. sunbeam

    sunbeam CH Dog

    i do not think that is right, some top class working staffords like gr ch duke, scarecrows duke,redbull and many more were plain to see as staffords imo.
    some can pass as pit bull terriers but not all, the same is true in reverse too.
  9. venom

    venom Top Dog

    they could pass as APBT imo because the breed is kind of diverse and many dogs come in different shapes, builds, looks, and are infact purebreds. It just depends on the line and the breedings.
  10. crazy horse

    crazy horse Big Dog

    how can one pass for the other but not vice versa that makes no sense :confused: i think some staffords look like apbts and some apbts look like staffords the main word being some not all :cool:
  11. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

    gr/ch duke is a prime example of a game staff looking like a staff....and NOT looking like a pbt.....i have also owned at one time a pbt(pre-ban) bitch altho tall and rangy had the staff like head....the thing about the pbt is that it is ALLOWED and famed for coming in all shapes and was not created for its uniform....
  12. shortbedder

    shortbedder Big Dog

    JMO I've had both, and I see them as different.
  13. peppapig

    peppapig Banned

    i still see them as different to.....but i can notice when one looks like the other....
  14. geezuss

    geezuss Big Dog

    Titch_Pitbull posted this pic on a staffy thread of a working staffy and pointed out he looks like someone we know:

    And here is Chinaman:


    Now look at that :eek: body type is so similar
  15. venom

    venom Top Dog

    thats what im saying, working staffs could be mistaken for APBT's lol but not all APBT's could be mistaken as staffs. for example, i would not mistake mayday for a stafford lol
  16. geezuss

    geezuss Big Dog

  17. Blanco

    Blanco Big Dog

    I agree with Venom but I still consider a good stafford to be a real bulldog
  18. oldtymer

    oldtymer Top Dog

    KC staffords have a certain standard which is usually required for entering KC shows,where as working staffords dont have to conform to a set standard. None the less there are staffords here that could and have been mistaken for apbt's and vice versa. The reason only a very small percentage of apbt's are mistaken for working staffords is because the game apbt comes in all shapes and sizes.
    I see a few have quoted mayday and baracuda as dogs you could not mistake for a stafford. I think any one who first set eyes on those two dogs without knowing what they were or how they were bred would say they looked as if they had some kind of mastiff cross in them. A friend of mine has mainly black apbt's that are low to middle thirty pounders,every one he meets always think his dogs are staffords lol. I know of a little stafford that was bred from KC staffords a good few years ago he was used soley as a roll dog and he finished a few apbt's careerers before they even started,reguardless of looks wheather it be a stafford or apbt a good dog is a good DOG.
  19. gog123

    gog123 Top Dog

    was there when that picture of the stafford was taken. It doesnt look like a pitbull in real life imo. That said a new comer could make the mistake. Have had friends across the water where pitbulls are legal get told "thank god yours is a staffie, not like those pitbulls they just want to bite everyone". Mate didnt say nothing as you cant teach those who dont want to learn. Playing with her dog was a decent game bred pitbull :D

    I have seen only id say a handful of pits that i would of walked past, not even thinking they was anything but staffords. Funnily enough they are all well bred.
  20. sydking

    sydking Pup

    when people talk about "working' staffords are they talking about working in the [] or work like your herding dog ect.

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