The Colby Line

I can't agree with this post. All those lines he/she mentioned are hardly worked anymore. By a percentages/numbers standpoint.

 

BBT is just a fuckin hater your a got damn fool if you think people are not matching and winning with colby dogs there might not be a lot but there out there. your not plugged into every body and you dont know about every match that goes down. i know a motherfucker right now in oklahoma that breeds the colby strain and there more than capable. he also runs some red boy stuff and old school heinzl he has a big yard and there are plenty of colby dogs on it if they werent worth there feed he wouldnt have them!! bottom line.

 

BBT

the difference to these purest o the pure Mayfield dogs is that the Colby dogs are found in the pedigrees of many recent dogs that actually do compete in the fast lane!

So as it is the case with almost any line most of the dogs of today aren´t matched or at least tested!

There´s some concerning those colby dogs that they still could add into breeding programm, so I don´t think this line is gone!

 

You are reaching with some of the names you used on this list.
Also everyone has to remember this, Colby line is no more then an AST!
John P. Colby was a founding member of the AKC Staffordshire Terrier Club.
His dog Primo was going to be used as standard.
Prior to this Colby dogs were ADBA registered.
Even up until the 50's with Lou Colby's Dime wasn't PR bred with UKC. It was the kids of John who took them back to UKC.
They have not been competitive on continual average straight bred in over 50 years n da [].
Call them as they really are,,,AST.

 

John P Colby only registered with the AKC as AST for 3 years '36-'39 (a time when PERHAPS there was little difference between APBT and AST) and stopped most likely because his dogs were working dogs. Furthermore, the UKC had sanctioned dog matches until the early 50's when public pressure forced them to stop.

Some folks seem to know a lot about RE, Staff, etc but not much about APBTs while much of the hate in this thread would lead one to believe a Colby dog must have fornicated with a female member of their immediate family or something :lol:

Oh and I would love to know where the production facilities are that test the 100's of dogs from dozens of litters whelped each year of the bloodlines some are so proud to proclaim as tested.

The fact that there are idiots who apparently despise Colby ... tells me I must have a piece of something good.

Flail on ladies.

 

Who cares what percentage of a line is worked? The point is lots of them are and winning. There are tons of people who still compete and do it well. They use the lines he mentioned with success. If pre college dogs could keep up they would use them to but they can't. And big real what they did 50 or more years ago. There are dogs doing it now here and the sport is big ion other countries well import their dogs from here! That's because there are good dogs true to the apbt standard before that can win anywhere and they sureain't getting their dogs from the colony. Speak for yourself about not working the dogs because you obviously have no clue what is going on around you.

 

Yes, the Colby's registered with the AKC, UKC and didja know that the ADBA was considered to be John P. Colby's "home office" before the ADBA went mainstream? Imagine that huh. Of course the Colby's have been in EVERY facet of the American fighting dogs breed history and in the blood somewhere of virtually each of those dogs. Is there a bloodline that has absolutely NO Colby blood whatsoever anywhere? ... likely there is, but it is an exception.

Despite the undisputed and invaluable contributions made to the breed and sport by Colby's ... as I have stated, above all ...Colby bred dogs regardless of contributions and accomplishments, remain first and foremost a loving and devoted dog whose characteristics temperament and traits will not disappoint MOST ... even as man's best friend.

 

Okay enough of this crap.
John Colby did not register dogs with UKC!
It is a known fact John registered his dogs with Guy McCord when they started ADBA.
And ADBA recognized pit champions clear up into the 90's!
It appears there is a lot you don't know about Colby dogs.

After John the sporting dog man of the family was Alexander aka Mike Colby not Lou.
I met him when I was young in Chicago.

Who don't have Colby, how about Lightner dogs?
Breed enough dogs their name will eventually appear in most all dogs pedigrees.
Matter quantity over quality.

No Dream Pits they are NOT winning in sport only show ring and John Colby registered dogs longer then 3 years with AKC. He did until he died in the mid 40's.
Animal Cruelty Laws have been around since the 1930's, this included dog fighting!

And in the future you want to include my name on a list make sure I use significant amount of the bloodline to make any influential impact on my line, which it hasn't.

 

Another thing about Colby and ADBA,
When John died Mrs. Colby married Frank Ferris. With the help of Howard Heinzel Ralph Greenwood bought ADBA from Frank and John's widow in the mid 1970's.
Frank had the registry and look up the Oscar dog's pedigree sent to the Colby family from Earl Tudor.
People talk about only Galtie was crossed in, so was Oscar, there was no Colby stated on his original pedigree.

When I made reference to William Lightner it is to be know he had the red dogs from his family before John Colby did in 1889.
There was no Colby blood in those dogs
He had them longer then John.
About 15 to 20 years before and about 15 to 20 years after John died.

Remember this, Colby didn't start this breed, he got his dogs from someone else.
As does everyone today.

Test of the dog is the show, test of a family is time.--Joe Corvino

 

First of all I NEVER mentioned ANY of your dogs in this thread as having Colby blood. The list of bloodlines I posted ... if you read in the context of the thread ... was mentioned as distinctly seperate from Colby.

On the other hand, one thing I often hear said is that the Colby's never produced a red nosed pup. That however, isn't true. At the bottom of page 28 of Lou's book, he states that a red nose pup was produced from a Colby's Tige/Colby's Neitz breeding and J.P. himself picked the best of the litter (Colby's Topsey ... the red nose one) to send to Lightner. What contribution do you think this dog made to Lightner's red nose stock? Interesting.

Here is one dog born in 1920 that John P. Colby registered with the UKC and I "think" there might be others. Colby's Demo ... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=46345

The first UKC match champion (mid 1920's) was a dog that was bred by John P. Colby. I can't remember the owner's name or details ... maybe someone can help me out here or I will post later as I look it up.

If there was a Colby dog registered by John P. Colby himself, after 1939 ... I would be most interested in knowing about it.

 

... see bold ... dang edit button

 

This is what I have been told as well that dog fighting was never really legal and the law you mentioned was just not enforced back then.
Good post.

 

If it was red nose then it had the imported blood through Galtie, the dog sent to Lightner.
Also that dog was sent after Hemphill and McCoy had the red dogs in 1927.
No one knows for sure what Lightner used later on.
No one knows if the dog was ever used, the dog sent from Colby, in his breeding.
It is well known many of the Lightner red dogs years later were crossed with black nose stock.


I don't need help from anyone else, the first fighting champion recognized by UKC was Earl Tudor's.
I don't make statements with others help.

Also the dog you posted was bred by Colby. I was single registered by the breeder with UKC.
Look at the number, it tells it all!
John was ill while the boys were in WWII. The line almost died off.

 

I think you are right. Wasn't it already illegal in England?
Later in the 60's actual dog fighting laws went on the books.
Then the 1976 Welfare Act.

 

Lets take a look at Lightner's breeding out of Colby's (Llightener's) Topsey and Masterson's Jack ...

First is Masterson's Jack, a dog bred by Lightner ... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=16178

Next, the offspring of Masterson's Jack ... all from JackxTopsey ... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=16178

Resulting in ... Lightner's Vick ... http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=16180

Notice the note included on Lightner's Vick ped that has been viewed over 11 thousand times ... "WAS KNOWN TO HAVE WON MANY AND A GREAT PRODUCER. TRUE OFRN STRAINS GO BACK TO THIS DOG."

If true OFRN strains do not go back to this dog, I think that note should be changed.

 

The Dog WASN'T bred by Colby.

damn back bottons!

 

Earl Tudor's UKC champion was Colby bred.
Topsey's pedigree and how Lightner used it are in the links I posted.

 

I'm not going to look at those pedigrees.
You insult this debate with using a non registry BS service for reference!
No NONE of the orignial dogs went to Vick!

 

Come on now, what was the dog's name, I know it, don't you?

 

Thank you for your input Mike. Your opinion and knowledge is invaluable and a great source of straightening out mis-information. Please do check the peds and comment. I look forward to that. Above all, I'm interested in facts.