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The Urban Dogman..

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by SPFDOGS, May 28, 2008.

  1. SPFDOGS

    SPFDOGS Guest

    Watch out for the urban dogman..They are a small group of individuals or a small kennel living in the city and suburbs surrounded by others alike within a few circumference..They do not have big fancy names and they are known by few,but they are as dangerous as a sleeping giant..They are slow to rise,but always ready to challenge the fastlane kennels..They do not have 30 dogs,because they only need one to make a impact in the sport..I have always respected these type of dogmen because of the obstacles they must endure to raise dogs and that is why I am writing this article..I can relate to their situation,because this is how I started myself..

    The UD does not have the room or the facilities to raise a lot of dogs..He/she alsways has eyes watching him/her because they are always surrounded by nosey neighbors..Although in the hood,you seldom hear of neighbors complaining and ratting out their next door neighbor..I personally know dogmen who raise dogs in the hood and I never her them complaining about having those problems..The good thing about raising dogs in a urban enviorment is that you can place dogs in different peoples hands all within the same neighborhood..Your whole yard can be spread on one block..The late Andre Giroux lived in Montreal,canada where he was unable to keep more than maybe 3 dogs at his apartmany house..Fortunatley he was able to spread out his dogs everywhere and has 1 GrCh, 4 ROM, and too many champions to count..My friend Capt Punishment also believes in this method of raising dogs and he was very successful in the dogs..

    There are pros and cons to raising dogs in the city..To boot it is more difficult than raising dogs in the country..You have to worry about keeping the place clean because of the smell that will travel,you have to worry about where you are going to get rid of the feces,controlling the barking situation,all while staying low key..I know most will contain their dogs droppings and put it out for the garbage to pick up,but if that bag rips once see if your garbage man will pick that shit up again..Contrary to living in the country where you can just throw that shit n the woods..Sometimes,especially in the summer you have to clean up 2x a day..No matter where your yard is you should be cleaning at least 1x a day..I know that when living in the country you can get away with not cleaning up because there are no neighbors who catch down wind of the smell,but it is not healthy for the dogs..Staying low key is hard no matter where you live..People in this game talk more about each other than housewives do and that is alot..Besides the fraternity,neighbors always catch wind of what you are doing..Some people dont mind the barking,while others think 2 barks a day is a nussiance..No matter where you go there is always someone to complain about the barking..I moved from the suburbs to the ountry to try to avoid any more barking complaints..I live on over 20 acres and can you believe that I have a neighbor that complains about the barking..My other neighbor who I cannot see but I can hear his kennel of dogs barking consistently and this guy does not care about the barking..Our dogs are equally distanced from this guy..So it does not matter where you go with your kennel,what does matter is how tolerant your neighbor is or how prejudice they are towards are breed..

    I also believe one attribute to conditioning dogs in the city is noise..It is important that a show dog is aware of all types of noises..This will help any bulldog break away from their shy characteristics which will help 100% on show day..Bring a dog that has been trainig in the country and when you go to the box he is looking around and acting spooky..I enjoy conditioning dogs in the country because it is serene and there are plenty of different exercises you can incorperate into you regimen..You can ride on 4 wheelers next to your dog,have him pull chains,run them on catmills,swimming,and other forms of exercing..try to do these things in public and they will lock you up..For instance:

    I was once working a dog on a springpole in a industrial center..I found a secluded section off to the side with tree branches hanging at a perfect height..This dog I was working was named Zeus,a real nast man biter..He was inbred for 2 generations going back to Sorrell's Crazy Snookie and Killen's Cid..This dog did not even need the spring,I would just hang the rope from the tree and he would jump off his feet,bite the rope and hang in the air..Well as Im watching the dog hang from the tree this cop comes flying around the corner with his lights on and jumps out with his gun drawn..he takes a double look and is astaonished..Appearantly he had got a call that I was hanging the dog..He hung around watch my dog work the rope and asked where he could get a dog like that..

    For many years the UD's have been succeeding in this sport..i would like to mention some that would inspire many,but not everyone likes to be mentioned espeacially now..It is usually the way one can start up and get his feet wet so to speak..You do not need 30 dogs to be a threat to the fraternity..You need a handful of show dogs to work with..Take the proven stock,breed them,stay patient for 2yrs and you'll have your next fleet of prospects..keep your yard healthy,contain the noise,and only keep the best..Believe me,you dont have to find a big parcell to increase the size of your yard..Big yards lead to big bills,big responsibilities,and big problems..You keep a small yard and you are better off finding someone that will take care of your dogs if you want to go away..Try finding someone who will feed 30 dogs..Another good aspect is you can spend more time with your dogs,compaired to a big yard where you tend to overlook the slightest problem..

    Its alwasy exciting to watch the underdog win,whether it is dogs competing or kennels competing..So dont underestimate the urban dogman,because there are many who have great dogs and they are not scared to compete..

    This was written by the Ghost Writer and was taken from a SDJ..
     
  2. cutt

    cutt CH Dog

    very intresting post
     
  3. frenchie1936

    frenchie1936 Guest

    this is my favorite part right here:



    "People in this game talk about each other more than housewives and that is a lot"
     
  4. CooljoeGoodie

    CooljoeGoodie Big Dog

    Good post .....
     
  5. Virgil dogs

    Virgil dogs Big Dog

    I started in the dogs when living in town and it sucked.Back then most folks didnt know what a bulldog was.
    I was talking to a freind the other day about the size of your yard.He agreed that 5 dogs was a good size as you can give your charges much more attention.That is one of the most overlooked things about dogs is indavidual care.Some of the great ones have been house dogs.There is a reason for that.Just food and water does not bring out the best of your dog.
    Thanks SPF for another thought provoking article.
     
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  6. Dr_jitsu

    Dr_jitsu Big Dog

    A dog raised in the house w/ you will be twice as confident as one raised out on a chain that spends maybe 5 minutes a day w/ you.
     
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  7. Virgil dogs

    Virgil dogs Big Dog

    Alot of folks are of the mind the bigger the better,yard wise.You cant possibly bring out the best in your dogs with a big yard.Just not enough hours in the day.And if you start with good blood you can compete in the fast lane.
     
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  8. TheVictor22

    TheVictor22 CH Dog

    That was cool thanks for sharing SPF.
     
  9. SPFDOGS

    SPFDOGS Guest

    I have been a city boy my whole life and can relate to this article..

    Noise is usually the number one problem,as once they(your neighbors) hear dogs barking they want to know how many dogs you have,and what kind of dogs you have,and when they do find out what kind of dogs you own they usually label you a dogfighter which can and has led to even bigger problems..

    One of the perks about "city doggin" is that there are anywhere from 10-20 dog yards withing a 45min walk of my own yard,so it doesnt get to "boring"..
     
  10. 14rock

    14rock GRCH Dog

    There are some damn fine bulldoggers who are making due with 1/4 acre lots. It's not something I'd care to go about, but they make it work well.

    My biggest complaint, has always been, the dogs are lacking physically compared to dog who has been raised on a chain. I've received many dogs from the city, raised in kennel setups, who were as soft as marshmallows, and looked like puppies from lack of daily, maintenance excersise (chain). Give them a few weeks on a chain in the sunlight, and watch them pop. I've always believed a sufficent chainsetup provides a much more beneficial environment to bring out you're dogs full potential.

    One advantage they have over us country boys, is they need not change anything for the colder months, save for turning on the heater. For one reason or another, I've had 5+ living inside at times. Pain in the ass keeping them clean, the smell down, disinfected, disposing of trash, excercised, and quiet.

    Many great "Urban Dogmen" I know, actually keep only a few animals. However, dogs are farmed out, or co-owned all over. Don't let what they have at home fool you, I know city dwellers with 50+ dogs to call their own.

    More and more good dogs have been coming out of this environment for some time. Not everyone could make it work, but theres no denying it can work.
     
  11. Big Game

    Big Game CH Dog

    I have four at the house. I dont know how anybody could keep more than that on a City lott. Good read Spf. Great post Rock.
     
  12. Good read!
     
  13. Flipside

    Flipside CH Dog

    I can relate to this article...good post!

    YIS
     
  14. Dreamer

    Dreamer Big Dog

    Apparently, many keep 20 or more in CRATES in the basement!

    So, so sad for those dogs.

    Do these kind of people actually have ANY empathy for what the DOGS must be going through living like that?

    What kind of mentality can do that to a bunch of dogs and see nothing wrong with it?


    Dreamer
     
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  15. Yes, that is the case in many instances. It is what it is.

    Sadder is to have your breed exterminated because of your bred for purpose. Sometimes drastic measures need be taken to save and improve a breed. Did you read the Annie story? She was a little girl who had to live in an attic to save herself from the Nazis. I think the comparison is valid here.

    "these kind of people"? Empathy?

    Empathy relates to being able to feel (by previous experience) what another one feels in regards to an action or occurence.

    Like I said, our breed is living under siege. If the true-to-form specimens are to survive, every resource and idea needs to be tried out. Is it ideal or best to have dogs in these conditions? Heck no.


    What kind of mentality? A mind that want to preserve the breed and keep it away from the humaniacs. A mind that views itself as a pawn to a bigger purpose. A mind that is willing to risk a longer prison sentence than what is given to rapists, child molesters, and even killers.

    You see, we do not live in an ideal world. IMHO, these types of setups will increase. Open yards are easily detected and raided by humaniacs. You know what they say, "out of sight.....out of mind".
     
  16. JC-Pitbulls

    JC-Pitbulls Top Dog

    Very very good post.
     
  17. Dreamer

    Dreamer Big Dog

    Wow. It's worse than I thought.

    Thanks for your input.

    Dreamer
     
  18. purplepig

    purplepig CH Dog

    Seems like the urban dogman needs to learn how to use a springpole.LOL

    I could see having a few in the city, and even can see having more farming them out. thing is, I live in the sticks, and even here, I dont have 50 friends, let alone know 50 folks that I would trust dogs to that I was campagning.

    Back when I was an outlaw, I learned at a real early age that the more people who know what you have done, then the odds of you getting busted are highly increased. When I would go covert, by the age of 16 I would do it alone, no matter what it was. Now selling dope I had to have some know what I was doing, but I sure did not meet anyone. Did I ever get arrested? Yes. But I never got busted on the serious things I was doing. I say never, I did time in a juvi, and then once again for another charge, but after that, no more. Now I can say all of this because there is a 7 year cure all that has lapsed.

    And as to the comparison of dogs to people(jewish girl), I find that comment kinda Petaish. They compared chickens to the jews in Nazi camps. Kinda offensive to me. No matter how much I love my dogs, they are dogs, people are far more valuable.
     
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  19. lol, yes i agree to an extent. Just because they used that analogy should not stop me from doing same. The point i was [trying] making was that dire circumstances require drastic measures. I did not liken the Jewish girl to dogs. You should have focused on the similarities in circumstances not human and animal aspect.

    Trying to raise bulldogs in the city is very tough. I respect the few that try to do right by these dogs in the cities.
     
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  20. CHICO

    CHICO Pup

    A Lots Of True In The Post!
     

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