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Tucson couple pleads guilty in dogfighting case

Discussion in 'Pit Bull News' started by Marty, Oct 23, 2008.

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  1. Marty

    Marty Guest

    I agree... he was on today and did not post :rolleyes:
     
  2. chinasmom

    chinasmom CH Dog

    Yea I saw him on too, that's why I posted that, hoping he would explain it to us. Said he was creating a new thread, what happened to that....
     
  3. StopBSL

    StopBSL Top Dog

    I am not going to go through everything step by step here but this is the important stuff. . .

    The original charges about the video of masturbating were dropped long ago when it was discovered it had not been his son. the prosecution used that to take away their kids and try and scare them into rolling on the others but it did not work and their lawyer demanded to see the tape. at that point it was made known that this was not his kid.

    the charges he plead to were for letting a 17 year old child download porn onto his computer which younger children used as well. the charges were dumb because they basically made it seem like he must have known. he plead because if he had gone to court over this the charges were going to be much worse and his son would have had to testify to it. so as most fathers would, he took the fall.

    the new evidence was a tape which had no date. it was not made in this country but it would have put doubt on the judge that he was innocent because of the content which can be heard and seen. also, since it has no date and does not say where it was made the prosecution would have used it to say it was proof of activities in the US and less than 7 years prior. which it was not. Also he was not doing anything which would be illegal in the US but watching something which was not illegal where it happened.

    I spoke to rudy today to get the rest of what made him take the plea. .. so here goes.

    All along the prosecution has been trying to get him to roll over on the others but he never did. he refused to talk about the others busted and repeatedly said he did not know anything.

    Tuesday the prosecution asked for a break for a "family emergency" and when they resumed the aforementioned tape was in the evidence. . . it had been mentioned that they had a tape of some sort earlier but none was ever produced for the defense to see.

    Tuesday night he called and told me everything about the day and the tape. He said he and his wife would be talking about maybe taking the plea if it did not require lying about the others arrested or taking humane society classes.

    Wednesday they had talked about it and thought they could go in and fight. Then their lawyer told them the city was going to file civil charges against them for not having 16 dogs registered. this was a $250 fine for each dog. And also $250 for each dog not having their shots at the time of the raid. Both of these were things which they had been saving up to do but were caught off guard. So, that is 8000 dollars which the city was going to file suit for and they said they would move to have his house forfeited to pay the bill.

    He spoke to his lawyer about fighting this and was told it would cost him roughly another 10 grand in order to fight the civil charges. So, if he had to face the civil charges he would have needed at least 18 grand. His wife was the only one working for the past year and they have just come out of bankruptcy. Since the start of the case she lost her job thanks to the detectives involved. So, as rudy put it "if anyone could have loaned us $18 thousand dollars i would have loved to have gone in and fought this."

    But- the deal he was offered wednesday morning included dropping of civil charges, dropping of all the felony charges and the forfeiture proceedings would stop. Also he did not have to talk about the other plaintiffs or anything of that nature or take humane society classes.

    He was told that if he went to court and fought these charges they would not drop the civil charges and he would most likely lose his home because they could not afford to fight.

    The prosecution gave him a great deal and basically no hope of not taking it at that point. They did this because they wanted to avoid his trial. they did a lot wrong in his investigation and did not want it all drug out and seen.

    Even if he had won this case he would have lost his home and subsequently his children. So he took the plea.

    He told me Emily was there when he took the plea and supported it. So, for everyone who said it included him screwing pat and Emily, I doubt she would have supported that or sat there when they went over that and not said something.

    Emily also emailed me today to say she is not worried that he will do anything of that sort.

    As far as your question about the info i was told. .. I and my counterparts at stop-bsl.com have been helping rudy gather information and helping him as much as we can financially and just with moral support for a while now.

    So, he kept us very up to date on the case. Everything I was told was the same, if in more detail, as what he told you all. But, his computer is monitored and he was not supposed to "talk about the case" in too much detail while it was happening. I spoke to him on an unmonitored phone and was given more information and a better picture of the events than you all were. I think that is why I understand better what happened.
     
  4. StopBSL

    StopBSL Top Dog

    marty he told me on the phone he tried to post but it gave him a weird message and then booted him off. . . it said something about someone already being signed onto his acct or something.

    he mentioned that and asked me to try and explain some for him until he can figure why he cannot post.
     
  5. chinasmom

    chinasmom CH Dog

    I'm sorry, but he can log in and ask Marty personally why he can't post. I don't even know why this bothers me at this point. If his pc was being monitored, he sure posted a lot that could have been used against him and was even told that in posts.(Reread them yourself.) And where I'm from, you can be tried as an adult at the age of 17. So your use of the term child is confusing. You said it was determined that it was not his son that downloaded the porn and the charges were dropped. So what did he plead to? Help me understand what you just typed Stop BSL. I'm really an easy going type person but this does not make sense to me. If he was scared, so be it, but don't jump on every forum you can and spout all he did. Fighting to the end. Yea.....Innocent of all charges. Yea.....Did he not know there was incriminating evidence against him? If he plead to the charges, he must have. Just a shame and a sham.
     
  6. StopBSL

    StopBSL Top Dog

    What i said was this:

    The original charges he told you all about were for a video tape found in his house which he had taped over a christmas video. the original tape was of a young boy jerking off and a younger girl walking by. they claimed this was his children. but it was later found it was not his kids and the charges for THAT were dropped.

    The charges he plead to are unrelated to that. They stem from his computer having underaged porn on it. His son admitted to downloading it when he was 17. And since he lived in the house and the computer belonged to rudy but was accessible to all the minors living there they tried to say that this was child endangerment because of what was in the porn his son downloaded. . . so, instead of going to court for that he plead to "letting" his son download the porn. I do not know if his son could have been tried or not but I think he said the charges against his son were dropped as a condition of his taking the plea on it.

    He told me also he would try again later but has been on the phone all day. . people just calling and calling. He also said he feels sick about this whole thing and would appeal his plea if only he had the money to fight for his house.
     
  7. simms

    simms CH Dog

    Any updates?
     
  8. Marty

    Marty Guest

    I keep looking ;)
     
  9. raided2

    raided2 Big Dog

    I was supposed to be the weak link ,if you look at the facts and the plea offer it was for child endangerment ,letting my 17 year old son and some how my nephew is involved I never found out the truth .law enforcement nor my public defender has told me the whole truth but upon my presentenceing interview with the prhabation department,the prhobation officer told me they know it was my son and nephew ,they wanted to know why themselves why wasn't my son or nephew prosecuted ,I personally have NEVER SEEN any of the images as claimed by law enforcement ,but it was obvious I was the target and they were using anything they could including my family to try and get me to crack and snitch out my co-defendants,well as you can see Patricks ,Dennis were aquited ,the bottom line was my wife and I had public defenders ,supplied by the state who will not even acknowledge the civil ( home forfieture) or misdameanor charges ,,that I my self told them were drafted up wrong they are only paid by the state to deal with felony charges and do not deal with any civil charges which was over 15,000$ in civil charges not including the forfeiture of our home .Where am I my wife and 4 children supposed to go ? We have lost all our family support now due to these charges and I have tried to answer the response and prayer for relief for our huose and property on my own but the prosecutor filed a motion because it was not "legaly or technically correct" it should be stricken from the record and our property should be forfieted imediatley ,so we tried to defend ouselves but the prosecution wasn't going to let us even make it to court . As it satnd the phrobation department wanted and pushed for me to have a undesignated ,unsupervised misdameanor ,we have no income no as law enforcement saw to that on Feb.20.2008 the day after my wifes and I's arrest the lead detective went to my wifes employer of over 5 years and 9 mos as a marketing asst. at a world renowed chemical rehab facility and got her fired ,so all we have to live on is her 214.00$ a week in unemployment as I am phisycally disabled after falling out of a parked 727-200 aircraft I was working the severe osteoarthritis ,renal kidney failur and neropathy have caught up with me and I am awaiting my finally SSI disability hearing this month . Inkow it is no-one else's responsibilty but if any one is willing to pay a reall attorney to fight these BS charges my wife and I could win ! We are the most innocent of everyone indicted ,just so you all know this isn't cheap eaither to defend yourself Inkow one co-defendant who spent over 47,000$ for their defense to be found innocent and their attorney's even admitted thier was no case against my wife and I we just had bad defense .Honestly how many state appointed public defenders do you actually see getting their clients aquited or found innocent? Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?Also if these child pornography charges on me were true would my 4 children stll be at home with me with no restrictions? They had to put pressure on me and I amd sure everyone other than my wife and I will be aquited as the paid for their private attorneys ,we had no other options other than to take the plea :(:(:(:(:(:(
     
  10. mseebran

    mseebran Big Dog

    all i can so now is , wow:confused:
     
  11. raided2

    raided2 Big Dog

    Let me ask a question I haven't had a litter of any pups for over 5 years now and according to the search warrant I was supposedly conditioning and traing dogs for Patrick ,they are innocent now what does that make me then?
     
  12. Marty

    Marty Guest

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    rallyracer CH Dog

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  14. simms

    simms CH Dog

  15. Marty

    Marty Guest

    To much to it, you can't view it as a guest?
     
  16. Marty

    Marty Guest

    I'll share this with you... Re: Pat Patrick Trial Begins

    Diane are you going to pay the $10.000 a piece to replace these dogs now? that's $30.000 to you whether you put them down or not your going to pay LOL good luck, your best freind Marty :D

    WOW I'm a wannabe in the eyes of Daine Jessup LMFAO

    Marty, your post is what I would expect from a wannabe.

    I know I have many haters but Diane Jessup is not one I worry about lol
     
  17. KuttersKru

    KuttersKru Top Dog

    Wannabe? A wannabe what? LOL
     
  18. raided2

    raided2 Big Dog

    I was supposed to be the weak link ,if you look at the facts and the plea offer it was for child endangerment ,letting my 17 year old son and some how my nephew is involved I never found out the truth .law enforcement nor my public defender has told me the whole truth but upon my presentenceing interview with the prhabation department,the prhobation officer told me they know it was my son and nephew ,they wanted to know why themselves why wasn't my son or nephew prosecuted ,I personally have NEVER SEEN any of the images as claimed by law enforcement ,but it was obvious I was the target and they were using anything they could including my family to try and get me to crack and snitch out my co-defendants,well as you can see Patricks ,Dennis were aquited ,the bottom line was my wife and I had public defenders ,supplied by the state who will not even acknowledge the civil ( home forfieture) or misdameanor charges ,,that I my self told them were drafted up wrong they are only paid by the state to deal with felony charges and do not deal with any civil charges which was over 15,000$ in civil charges not including the forfeiture of our home .Where am I my wife and 4 children supposed to go ? We have lost all our family support now due to these charges and I have tried to answer the response and prayer for relief for our huose and property on my own but the prosecutor filed a motion because it was not "legaly or technically correct" it should be stricken from the record and our property should be forfieted imediatley ,so we tried to defend ouselves but the prosecution wasn't going to let us even make it to court . As it satnd the phrobation department wanted and pushed for me to have a undesignated ,unsupervised misdameanor ,we have no income no as law enforcement saw to that on Feb.20.2008 the day after my wifes and I's arrest the lead detective went to my wifes employer of over 5 years and 9 mos as a marketing asst. at a world renowed chemical rehab facility and got her fired ,so all we have to live on is her 214.00$ a week in unemployment as I am phisycally disabled after falling out of a parked 727-200 aircraft I was working the severe osteoarthritis ,renal kidney failur and neropathy have caught up with me and I am awaiting my finally SSI disability hearing this month . Inkow it is no-one else's responsibilty but if any one is willing to pay a reall attorney to fight these BS charges my wife and I could win ! We are the most innocent of everyone indicted ,just so you all know this isn't cheap eaither to defend yourself Inkow one co-defendant who spent over 47,000$ for their defense to be found innocent and their attorney's even admitted thier was no case against my wife and I we just had bad defense .Honestly how many state appointed public defenders do you actually see getting their clients aquited or found innocent? Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?Also if these child pornography charges on me were true would my 4 children stll be at home with me with no restrictions? They had to put pressure on me and I amd sure everyone other than my wife and I will be aquited as the paid for their private attorneys ,we had no other options other than to take the plea :(:(:(:(:(:( Wow Rocky you more than anyone knew my financial situation and lack of resources ,there was no incrimmanating evedence on me but the state still would not drop oyr forfeiture charges agianst us I didhave the money to get a civil attorney I mean if anyone would or could help I will gladly file the appeal and no I did not testify against Patricks or any one you can see how that went forthem and as far as the child pornography my pla was for child abues ,neglect by not supervising my then 17 year old son who down loaded lime wire with out my knowledge i had to yake it or else the Prosecuter may have gone after my son and he would spend life behind bars ,Hell the prosecutor was even thinking about charging my 17 year old daughter or wife becuase they were hoem the day of the raid ,if i was actually a pepdophile my kids would not be home with me now and i would not have any acess to any kids,look up my name on the sex offenders registry i am not on there if I had commited all that the clainme I would have to register as asex offender ,this is just a small example of what law enforment and the HSUS will do to your lifes if you are ever in their sights!!
     
  19. Raided2, I never doubted your innocence. I was disappointed that you took a plea. That said, I have apologized to you on several ocassions for not considering YOU were going through this without a real counsel on your side. You would have won if you did not take the plea because it is the DA that MUST prove his case that you were guilty. I doubt you would have received a penny from the death of your dogs since you signed them away at the beginning of all of this.

    On a seperate note, what happened to Pat and Emily's website? It has been down for a few weeks.
     
  20. raided2

    raided2 Big Dog

    If I am a pedophile as many of you have stated please look up my name Juan R Verdin and see if I am a registered sex offender ,the state of Az is very strct on this kinda of stuff agin read the news paper articles my plea had mt house forfieture proceedings dropped as I have no finacial resources and my wife and I were the leats guilty ,but were strong armed by the state to take the plea to keep our house my family and I have no where else to go and less than 600.00 $ in donations wont go far when most attorney scaost a minimum of 25,000$ to even take the case plus another 10,000$ if it makes it to trial again ifanyone will help I would apeal and win
     
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