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Tudor's Dibo(3xw) and CH HEINZL'S ARIZONA PETE

Discussion in 'APBT History' started by Bahamian, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. Bahamian

    Bahamian Pup

    Tudor's Dibo (3xw) and CH HEINZL'S ARIZONA PETE are litter mates that were obviously winners.

    But what I would like to know is why is Dibo so much more popular/ important to the apbt than his brother?

    What were their styles in the box? Was Dibo just a better producer? Did Pete die at a young age?

    I am very curious about this. Basically I want to know what seperated the two making Dibo so much more important to the breed.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. Oldskool Brent

    Oldskool Brent Top Dog

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  3. ROSE

    ROSE Banned

    And MAYBE ,Reason was that heinzl had wealth and didn't have reason to sell pups.
     
  4. Stookie

    Stookie Pup

    Im thinking location
     
  5. synno2004

    synno2004 Top Dog

    Tudor's Dibot Offspring!?!?!?!?! El PELUCHE?

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=173951
     
  6. CLKENNELS

    CLKENNELS Top Dog

    Yea dat peluche dog was bad ass... I got a couple bitches off of him...
     
  7. BmoreGame

    BmoreGame Pup

    LOL CL u a wild dude! LOL
     
  8. Oldskool Brent

    Oldskool Brent Top Dog

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  9. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    It really depends on where the dogs end up and who they end up with. I have dogs down out of GRCH Andy Capp. He had a littermate brother Calvin, most say was a better dog and in limited breedings produced just as well, if not better.
    Tons of situations like this. Some dogs end up with people more concerned with puppies and breeding than the next guy. Some dogs end up with better breeders than the next. Either takes nothing away from either dog. s.
     
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  10. BKNLS

    BKNLS Big Dog

    Look at how many of Pete's offspring got off of Heinzl's yard and rethink why Dibo was more popular.;)
     
  11. preme

    preme CH Dog

    Dibo Didnt Have That Many Off Springs.BUT HAD HIGH Number GOOD DOGS AND GOOD Producers HIGH % HIS PUPPES EVEN THROW FIRER
     
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  12. slim12

    slim12 Super Moderator Staff Member

    excellent post. if a dog is selling a ton of dogs off his stud dog but he is 'using' something off another, that would make you think twice about the popular stud. my g-pop had four pens of beagles,separated by males and females in two of each. two was what he bred and used the other two was ones he sold and traded to pay for the 'back two pens'...bulldogs were no different back then..remember back them the top dog men squared off with each other with their best dogs. why would someone sell their best only to have to look across at it down the road???
    nice post....s.



     
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  13. BKNLS

    BKNLS Big Dog

    Every dogman, if they are somewhat competent, will keep his best dogs on their yard. Heinzl used Dibo in many breeding's but he used other studs to take his strain into the future. Don't get me wrong Dibo founded many bloodlines. But, Heinzl bred Dibo don't forget that!!

    Pete was that secret sauce
     
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  14. orus

    orus Pup

    nice post and even better awnser slim nice work
     
  15. Hello, i'm located in Brussels Belgium.
    I bought this dog last year from Villaliberty kennels in Spain.

    Nice dog..., but what i don't understand is why did he do a 15/16 inbreeding for no reason???

    to not confusing , "villa liberty tudor dibo" has "tudor dibo" blood in background
    pleas look at the pedigree below

    http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=322624
     
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  16. redhavok

    redhavok Pup

    I think I might be able to help on this inquiry. Dibo as well as Pete were products of an amateur breeder by the name of Smith. Unknown to Smith, these pups were of pure Feeley bloodlines(Smith really didn't know what he had). Smith sold Dibo to a man named Jensen as a pet for his young boy. Jensen's son, of all things, named this new pup DUMBO!!! After a little while Jensen's son grew tired Dumbo(Dibo) and wanted his father to buy him a collie(damn lassie dog). Jensen then got in touch with the famous Howard Heinzl. Rev. Heinzl, at first glance, had mixed feelings about Dibo because of the quality of one of Bounce's(Dibo's sire) sister. But Heinzl took the chance and trade-in a five dollar collie for this "Dumbo" dog(Jensen really thought he had pulled a great deal, little did he know). So, Heinzl took Dibo home and really just made a house dog out of him. Dibo(a pacifist by nature) ran free on Heinzl's property, always staying well away from the other chained dogs in the yard. One day the great Earl Tudor visited Heinzl trying to find his next champion. Right off the bat Mr. Tudor took an interest into Dibo. Heinzl begged Tudor to take one of the other 'proven' dogs in the yard but Tudor insisted that he wanted Dibo(Tudor apparently saw something in Dibo that no one else did). Well then, this rest is really history. If I remember correctly, Tudor rolled Dibo with three other dogs at the same time. This test just about killed Dibo,though he made it through and was only fought one other time in his life. From eye witness acounts of this battle was said that Dibo fought with such ferrocity, power and skill(beating his opponent within the first few minutes of the match) that Tudor decided Dibo didn't have anything else to prove and retired him to stud.
    Dibo had 34 offspring while Arizona Pete only had 7. What seperated Dibo from Pete was the amount of first and second generation champions that Dibo spawned. Dibo was a great dog and a icon of what a true American Pit Bull is really about.
     
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  17. Bahamian

    Bahamian Pup

    Thanks for all the great posts. Most of them were VERY interesting and educational.
     
  18. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    https://www.gamedogshistory.com/breeders-and-bloodlines-by-jack-kelly/well away from the other chained dogs in the yard. One day the great Earl Tudor visited Heinzl trying to find his next champion. Right off the bat Mr. Tudor took an interest into Dibo. Heinzl begged Tudor to take one of the other 'proven' dogs in the yard but Tudor insisted that he wanted Dibo(Tudor apparently saw something in Dibo that no one else did). Well then, this rest is really history. If I remember correctly, Tudor rolled Dibo with three other dogs at the same time. This test just about killed Dibo,though he made it through and was only fought one other time in his life. From eye witness acounts of this battle was said that Dibo fought with such ferrocity, power and skill(beating his opponent within the first few minutes of the match) that Tudor decided Dibo didn't have anything else to prove and retired him to stud.
    Dibo had 34 offspring while Arizona Pete only had 7. What seperated Dibo from Pete was the amount of first and second generation champions that Dibo spawned. Dibo was a great dog and a icon of what a true American Pit Bull is really about.[/QUOTE]
     
  19. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

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    Bump , bump...
     
  20. corvettedex

    corvettedex CH Dog

    This is a good thread
    ...
     

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