What's Your Definition of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)

I don't think the rule book ever changed I think some just altered it to better suit themselves as people have always done. How many "great dogs" would be listed as losers curs or quitters if things were done to the T. I'll look when I get home if i remember and attempt to scan

 

Winning or losing is not equal to gameness and quitting because of some circumstances. Very few and honest logical reasons as stated by others. A dog that went after 4 or 5 sec has hesitated already. Most of these dogs will stop. There are few that will go and win because the tide as turned and has the upper hand. Most dogs that went to the deep end of the well should be look at again IMHO. That's the only way to see if it is still complete. Only a few will do it.

A pull that went almost 2 hours. @ about 1:30 one of the handler ask the middle man for the time and mentioned that both dogs are "GAME". The ref replied "your dog quit already, you just don't know it". Gameness is only partly seen in scratching. The big fraction is the action itself. His dog finally quit before 2 hours. Just my 2 cents.

 

Great post, I think often too much people associate time with gameness.. Also people associate the winner with being more gamer than loser, I don't or rather i didnt tolerate hesitations if you weren't scratching when my arms removed you were a dog that was showing your time was almost up.

 

I believe you are referring to rule 11. Rule 11 does not even give the aloted 10 seconds for the dog to get across the box. Only 5 seconds has to do with facing the dogs, before the release.

http://www.sporting-dog.com/select-pages/cajunrules.html

 

Look at rule #11 again, it states "If, when he is turned loose he refuses to start at once or is he stops on the way over, or if he fails to reach his opponent must declare his opponent the winner. " so a hesitation means he loss..

 

I just mean the dog shouldn't stand on all fours, it should at least try and if it just can't that is different. A game dog should always try to go and the handler should decide when the dog has had enough

 

Thats why there is a 10 count, or else that rule is left open to debate. What if he immediately starts and takes 20 seconds to cross and take hold. 10 second count my friend, slow to leave the corner and hesitations are bad signs, but as long as the dog makes it over and takes hold by 10, it hasnt lost yet... I have never heard of a dog in the history of bulldogs losing because it failed to "immediately leave the corner" lol. Is "immediate" 2 seconds, or as fast as a blink of an eye?

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damn you guy are young . whatever happen to the 20 second scratch ? this is when you see how game they are . because sometimes it might take 18 to get there if things are bad . this 10 second stuff is for the new generation . they're always in a hurry . and the ref is the one to say if the dog hesitated . some dogs will come out and stop and shake the water off them and complete there move . that's where a good ref came in handy before 1976 . i know the rules said it's over . but the ref makes the choice on what he saw .

 

Wow, Old Goat your handle must be really fitting! 20 seconds, and I'm arguing the 10 second count lol. All agreed upon between two handlers and the ref before the event, from what I've heard. I guess some could still ask for 20, and if its agreed upon, then it shall be!

 

My only problem with the 20 second count is this. It extends the match, and thus increases the chance of losing a dog. If it cant make it in 10 seconds, but can in 20 seconds, whats that saying about the dogs physical shape??? Just my view points on historical events. I, for one have never done anything that could be construed as dog fighting.....

 

It isn't a 10 second scratch it's a 10 count. There have been some looong 10 counts called during a contest. The count is obviously on the ref.

 

the 20 count was better because the game dog got to show what it really meant to cross with 2 wheels blown . yes they can get there in 10 . but give the game dog a chance to show what he's made of .

 

but thats exactly what bullyson did quits for no reason cause things wasnt goin his way but u say thats a dog worth saving huh

 

i would call that dog a cur

 

Apparently you havent read Bullysons original match report submitted by Mayfield, or Clemmons view of the match, which matches Mayfields original match report.

 

I don't know what Bullyson did because I wasn't there were you?

 

Great point and I do believe its a 10 count like in boxing vs 10 seconds

 

And all I have to say is THANK GOD not all dog men thought that way if they did a lot of good dogs would have taken a dirt nap.

 

hihi ok if you say so damn . cajun rules before crenshaw change them was 20 seconds . this gave the game dog a chance to win . i remember reading about a game dog making his scratches at 18 . because he could'nt see good and went from 1 corner to the other to find him . would you of wanted to be counted out for your dog being game ??? and being in shape does'nt mean your dogs gamer or in better shape . hell he may of had a hard mouth . for getting there in 10 . it all depends on what was happening .
What's Your Definition of a Cur (Split from Bullyson thread)




Originally Posted by Icepick
My only problem with the 20 second count is this. It extends the match, and thus increases the chance of losing a dog. If it cant make it in 10 seconds, but can in 20 seconds, whats that saying about the dogs physical shape??? Just my view points on historical events. I, for one have never done anything that could be construed as dog fighting.....
Great point and I do believe its a 10 count like in boxing vs 10 seconds

 

There are exceptions to everything old goat, but are you referring to Blind Billy? Maybe if the owner was aware of sight problem they asked for more times on the scratch, and the other side agreed to it. It still could be 20 seconds, where its legal, and both sides agree to it. But IMO, if a dog requires 20 to make a scratch, its 10 to long (unless the dog was partially blind). Its only12'