Which dogs created the APBT?

I know everyone has their own opinions about how the APBT originated. I have done a lot of research of my own to form my own opinion. I want to know your opinions of what breeds were first used to created the APBT we have today.

Besides just a bulldog and a terrier.

These "bulldogs" were smaller than the bulldogs of today. What breed of bulldog was this? What kind of terrier? What 2 original breeds helped establish the APBT or were there more than 2 breeds? Was the black and tan in there somewhere? What are yall opinions? If you have pics to support please post! Thanks.

 

Back in the day, weren't breeds just named based on purpose. Bulldogs were dogs used for bull baiting and were bred to type, not breed. Same with terriers. So it wasn't like it was 2 specific breeds bred together. It was a blend of types. But that's just my opinion from what I've read.

 

Most if these breeds used no longer exist. I want to know either what breed of dog you think it was or the one that we have now that is closely related.

This is just for opinions... What do yall think?

 

there are a lot of theories. Many believe the bulldog originated down from the first molossar dogs crossed with sight hounds & God knows what else.


All I do know is that I think the 50/50 theory (50% bulldog & 50% terrier) is a load of b.s. While I don't doubt there is some terrier blood in the APBT, I think it's more like 25% or less.

 

I always thought it was a AmBull and a Bullterrier that made the APBT. I must've been way off.

 

The American Bulldog came way after the APBT... They are a fairly recent breed.

 

American Bulldogs, although bred for a while by farmers as working farm dogs, are actually are relatively new creation.

 

Really? In some of the earlier pics I've seen what appears to be an Ambull and also a Bullterrier. I wish I could relocate those sites. I'll try.

 

The American Bulldog is a recreation of what some thought the original bulldog was. The original bulldog of yesteryears is extinct. However, through detailed pictures & written history, many are trying to bring it back. The American Bulldog (allbeit the one in this list with the most working ability), the Rennaisance Bulldog, the Valley Bulldog, the Alapaha Blueblood Bulldog, the Olde English Bulldog, & many other new & upcoming types are all various recreations of what people thought the original bulldog once was.

And although registry acceptance really doesn't mean squat, the AB was only accepted into the UKC in 1999 (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% confident that's when it was).

 

I've read the history but when I looked at the pics the dogs clearly, IMO, looked like AmBulls.

Like this one:

 

i like to think of it in an easy way.


bulldog types x terrier types=american pitbull terrier

 

But you cannot just reference 1 or 2 pictures & make a decision based on just those. I've got a lot of pictures of yesterday's bulldogs that look more like the APBT. And I've got some that show the bulldog to look more like the OEB of today.

 

has the breed not been kind of evoultionary in a sense that they were used for different things and as they were being used for new things different things may have been added to perform that duty better.

 

The Bulldog originated in indian-persian space about 4ooo years ago. His creators have bred him from the outset only for the fight he belongs to the real thoroughbreds. Much later(between 10 and 12 century) the Bulldog came with merchant-ships to England, Ireland and Scotland. Here he received his name Bulldog since he was and is suitable to catch the bull. The pure original was about 15-25 kg and they were red,yellow and brindle colored. If you search around this color and size today you get the purest stuff. Certainly later it came to incrossings, however the close to the fight -lines remained cleaner than other and that until today. The Bulldog is a very special dog not to be compared to a mastiff. Caesar took Bulldogs from England with to Rom. The people called them small broadly-mouthed dogs. Maybe they laughed at them.....until they killed ceasars big mastiffs from all over the world in his Arena.

 

the dogs in that pic looks like shadyrdige kennel's max and hes all APBT. depends on the pics i guess some could look different.

 

im wondering where the APBT is headed in the near future (25 years or so) since it was originaly breed to bull baite which no longer happens and since dog fighting is illegal is it safe to say that gamness, which is the single trait that seperates the breed from anything else, will die out? where will the direction of breedings take the new generations of APBT.

 

I agree with what Miakoda posted. I think the MAIN basis of the Pitbulldog was the original (working) Bulldog. A touch of Terrier was added in for wind and quickness, IMO but the Pitbull is the closest thing to the old working Bulldogs.

 

that is what i was wondering as well. im sure people will still do what they do with their dogs legal or not but the majority of people are not going to so regardless of what some may say "untested" dogs are going to get bred, as here now i would bet 95 percent of the puppies we see now are from these breedings of "untested" dogs, which to me is fine im not going to be doing this with them anyway, just my thought on it

 

Confusion with other breeds
There are two distinct strains of American Bulldogs, Classic (Johnson, Bully) and Standard (Scott, Performance) which is often mistaken for its second cousin, the American Pit Bull Terrier because of its appearance, and for its much smaller European relatives because of its name. The American Bulldog is different from any of these. The American Bulldog is massive in comparison to the French Bulldog or English Bulldog as it still resembles the Old English Bulldog and was never down bred to be a lap dog.

The Standard American Bulldog does resemble the pit bull-type breeds on many points, such as being muscular dogs that can be all white or white with patches. However, the pit bull's head is in the shape of a wedge coming to a more rounded point at the muzzle, whereas an American Bulldog's is box-shaped. The American Bulldog's ears are also typically uncropped, and its head is heavier and a little bulkier. Another major difference is size, with the American Bulldog generally being much larger than a purebred American Pitbull Terrier (which according to the UKC standard should only weigh 30 - 60 pounds).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bulldog

 

female rat terrier and a male bull mastiff,,,,,,,

lmao lmao lmao


i think it was a blend of several breeds like mia said