Frisco offspring ?

i was wondering how are Frisco offspring turning out when they are mature can someone help ?

 

Is your dog directly off of Frisco or is he from one of the frozen semen breedings.

 

Frisco is the top producing ROM dog, of course he's got some good ones out. The ones that work out, tend to work out real well, but most seem to get out of the kitchen real quick when the heats on. I would of never given them the time of day a year ago, but some recent events have changed my outlook on the line, and I am considering trying my hand with some off this blood in the future. The only way to find out is to get some dogs yourself and see if they work for YOU.

 

I have 3 off the frozen semen that turned out to be more than what i was lookin 4. 1female 1 male. they both turned on early about 17 months. the female i still have ibreed her 2 my male out of rascel turtlebuster male got 4 stix of dynomite out off that breeding that i still have 2 females out off that. the males were alittle hard 2 handel on my little yard. the older male i lost in a kennel accident too a 2x winner both dogs were lost, and he went up hill 14 pounds. pound 4 pound they handle their own.

 

souds like a helluva dog...do you have a ped on that frisco/turtlebuster breeding?

 

Yes but i ment tramp turtlebuster down off thunder check ped on line look under longcash kennels. It's sponge x wiggles = sausage. I didn't know how to add the link. But we plan on makin this breeding 1 more time.the pups are 1 year old now and popin the chain.

 

Funny how only Tom says Frisco is the top ROM. Should be with the number of sire claimed to be "frisco" and breeding claiming to be his.
in general Frisco dogs are typical Eli dogs-if the don't bite you down early they call it quits. There are exceptions to the rule, every once in a while youll get one that is game or one that cant bite through a paper bag. For the most part they start packing the bags and leaving if unable to close the show.

 

i laugh when people sterotype a particular bloodline with statements like this: "typical Eli dogs-if the don't bite you down early they call it quits."

that is very funny as most or many peds today go back to eli. there must be a shitload of dogs being culled out there.......

 

Are they not known for exactly what I said? Has Frisco ever been accused of producing game long lasting dogs or what I said?

 

I've thought the Frisco dogs to be rough curs also, I do know of *one* who who would take hers before quitting, and I've heard of a few more this way. My general opinion is most are still just rough curs. I am getting a frisco/bolio dog off the one I know personally to go the distance, so we will see how that works.

 

They are generally extremely rough hard biting athletic dogs. They tend to have a lighter bone structure than some but this gives them great athletic ability and speed. You don't need to doubt the finish in these dogs. Proper programs throw respectable gamedogs but obviously people that are breeding pedigrees tend to throw bad dogs (like anyone doing the same). With all lines there are bad ones but when you get a good one, they are usually something special almost complete in every aspect. I own and feed several Frisco bred dogs and I think with the right cross you can really turn them into reliable overall animals and producers. Everyone talks about "Frisco dogs bite hard and then quit" but they have probably never fed one, repeating internet stories or bitter because they got beat by one. I've sent a few of my pups to people that never dealt with this blood before and at 20 month old prospects they are starting to make some believers. They do well linebred but with a proper cross (not some random Jeep/Blah/etc) with some animal bred the same way down on Eli dogs you can seriously end up with some dynomite. The Bolio dogs cross fairly well but its seemed to be better when 3/4 of the pedigree is bred down off Chinaman. The Little Gator ROM x Frisco ROM dogs are showing VERY well. There are a few good ones out there right now and many more to come. They have proved as a devastating cross with heavy Eli blood through Maverick. People are quick to call them curs but they forget dogs like Ch. El Negro (won over 2 hour mark each time), Ch. Rebel Yell (4XW 1XGL), Spanish Kennels Flash (2:24 against a son of Ch. Simba), Ling, Lemos' Nino (lost dead game 1:10), SIC Kennels Nacho (lost DG), Precious 2XW 1XGL (came back at 2:42 to win when she was on th bottom the whole time), Mighty Joe Young (16 months old, gave up 2lbs, 1:58 for a game loss), and many many more. Hobb's Tuffy (Grand Dame of Frisco) went 4:20 to win and set the record at the time for longest female match. There are plenty of game dogs still being thrown on this line in my opinion. It all comes down to getting them from the right people. Hope this helps a little

Regards,

B

 

love this post i see we can make believers out of the people. I've been feeding frisco dogs 4 atleast 5 years now from TG yard and their worth every bit of food toys shots time and everything else i've invested.and at 12 months my frisco x tramp x turtlebuster cross is showing me new things about this line!

 

That was exactly what I said B. You name the few rare exceptions and left out the majority that don't swim deep. Plus you never stated how Frisco was the leading sire to produce Ch's that quit. Out of the 3-4 dozen I've seen I can list about 4 that swam in deep water and continued. They are great if you hit the lottery and get that one that is an all around athlete. But in dogs who wants feed a yard wishing for something instead of expecting?

 

Are you talking about dogs off Frisco or Frisco bred dogs? How many Ch. quit under Frisco? Are you talking about Ch. Simba? He was overdosed on Dex the entire match. His handler / conditioner was a total idiot. He gave the dog almost 10x the amount of Dex he should have. Everyone there said he didn't look like the same dog from any of the rest of his matches, wandering around, and disorientated. Spanky wasn't even defending himself and Simba's handler made a stupid call to handle. How many more Ch can you list other than Simba? He usually seems to make up the entire "list". I'm curious to hear about all of these dogs.

Regards,

B

 

The thing to keep in mind is most of the dogs from TG is so tightly inbred that of course they are not going to perform like other dogs but if you outcross them right you will get some great Bulldogs

 

I agree for the most part. I'm just curious to see this list for my own information.

Regards,

B

 

we have a chinaman/frisco crossed into a sorrell dog that is a decent bulldog.BUT he did take awhile to turn on enough to be able to hunt. but he is 9 yrs old and still being fed.

 

I know people that use the Frisco stuff and I know people that HATE the Frisco stuff. All depends on who you talk to and what they think a real bulldog is. Ive seen some nice ones myself.

I know a kennel that uses Frisco/Mayday with good dogs.

I dont use any Frisco on my yard because it has too much controversy with it and I already have some similar bred stuff anyway. It is obvious he was bred a $hit load of times so you gotta be careful who you get em from too. I dont think he's the #1 ROM dog. I'm sure most know it's rumored that Frisco quit in a roll. TG bred him anyway because he didnt want to make the same mistake with Frisco that he did with Chinaman.

A lot of dogs in history have been rumored or even proven curs. Still bred, and still produced winners along the line. Just depends on who has em and what they do with them. For the record I'm not saying Frisco was a quitter or not. I dont know.

 

one thing i know game or not proven the dog is only gonna be as good in the hunt as handler the shaped he. Dex i dont use it ? I've seen a lot of dog run hotin the hunt cause they couldn't get the job done quick enough. Me personely like what i saw in the line and waited three an a half years to fine what ithough was the right cross 4 what i figured would work in the []. Now i strongly believe i can hunt with the big dogs,and from what i'm seeing lck will be a force in the years 2 come off of so of tg breedings. I'll live off my own name if i did my proper homework

 

Frisco did not quit he was not campaigned because there were only three in the litter and Chinaman had died .If your going to argue that Frisco was bred a lot yes he was but so was Jeep and Mayday and Frisco lived a lot longer than either.Also to you have to go back to my original argument most of Frisco breeding was to his daughters and granddaughters.Jeep was crossed into Redboy and Rascal stuff matter of fact is someone even running straight Jeep.Mayday himself was a three way cross and was bred primarily to like bred females.