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You kown, I have no problem at all with responsable bite sport for Pitbulls. But I do NOT like seeing them trained in PP. Why? Because first they are not guard dogs and second so few people know how to do that training right. Seems like a great way to just create a unstable, dangerous Pitbull.


I've heard more than once that since Pitbulls are not naturaly distrustful or leery of people that they are un-suited for real PP work.

To the dog (Pitbull) bite sport is a game. PP is no game, its for real.

 

Pits are capable of many lines of work and NO NOT ALL PITS will bite a human or protect you even if you try to train it too!!! The experienced dog trainers out there you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Here's something I found that says it better than I could.

Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own.

I notice some keep mocking the prices of this guys dogs but why? You can't just train any pit to do protection work, police work etc.... If that is what your shopping for not everyone is going to have it. It must come with some sort of price don't you think? To each their own IMO.

 

PP work is not for everyone and certainly not for every dog. It takes a very stable tempered dog to begin with regardless of breed. Your shephards and Rotties are your people biters by nature and breeding practice so it is not the Pit to be scared of its the unstable Shephards and Rotties! They will bite you just because they like to!!!

 

LOL, Amen! My adolescent pit is more of a flower-smelling Ferdinand than any kind of attack bull.

What's the saying: "Some pits make darn good watchdogs. They will sit right there and watch a burgular take everything you own." :o


BETH

 

I personaly love Shephards and Rotties. I have a Rottie bred soley for PP work and Shutzhund (German). I'm speaking from my own observations on the training field and experience with my dogs. I'd have to say he's more likey to make a mistake biting someone that my pit in reality. Just because my Rottie wants to bite ya, they are not as people friendly and yes very protective. MY pit truly loves people and is super friendly (good socialization is the key) but will go if someone is hurting us etc.... I'd have to say I think my Pit would have better judgement. My rottie I love to death but I worry more about him hurting someone than my pit.

 

luvinbullies, ferdinand!!!! that is soooooo funny!!! and i love that phrase!!!

raisingcain, i was in a family that bred, showed and trained rotties for 13 plus years and i would say that i think with rotties, its all in how you raise them, like most dogs. you can always get a bad apple HA dog, but a rottie is great for a protection dog....but usually doesnt bite the hand that feeds them. i dont know how old you are, but since you are big into rotties, have you ever heard of Von De Rottweilers based in cartersville GA? that was my families bloodline. i am only 23 so i cant tell you all the bloodlines and pedegries, but i could pull a bunch of stuff from my mom's house.

 

That is awesome! I can't pronounce any of the names in his ped, lol. His father was imported from Germany and his mother from working lines in the US. I"ll have to get it out. Maybe you will recognize something in there! Thank you. RCK

 

hey that would be cool if we owned an ancestor! you got a pic? we did a lot of german importing in our breeding. we actually sold a pick of the litter once to danny devito (the actor) lol, isnt that funny!!!

 

Here are some names for ya! CURE VOM WIESENGRUND. MATCHO VON BURGTHANN, MARA VOM OBERHAUSENER NORDEN, VOM OBERGROMBACHER SCHOLOSS, DASHCA BON BURGTHANN, AKI VON DER PEELER HOTTE, BIENE VOM OVERHAUSENER NORDEN....ON HIS SIRES SIDE. His Sire is Pink Papered.

What names huh! lol!

 

aki von der peeler hotte is the only one that sounds kinda familiar possibly?!?! now, say those ten times fast! HA!

 

Here he is, my big baby!

 

HERE IS HIS DADDY GUSTOFF IN ACTION!

 

You know thats exactly the point , most times a dog bites a human it is a typical protection dog and thats no lucky coincident because this dogs are born army or police dogs or in other words her genetic task is it to pin humans.....they are humancatcher. I know some people who are involved in Schutzhundsport here in germany and they told me time and time again how good that is and that this sport means no danger at all.....but I know how many dogs they put down because they went out of control.Dont teach a dog to attak people .....

 

I don't see anything wrong with the show it seemed very organized. I think it is good to see the Bulldog in action. Need to take Smokey

 

now the top dog is a doll! the second one is so ovious german!! lol, they are like freakin bears over their!! whats up with the tail? i have been out of the rottie loop for some time now, is docking optional for show in germany? i dont know. he looks great though!! i used to LOVE watching the bite sleeve work, my favorite was the whole body suit though...that was great entertainment for us kids!!

 

Thank you, Caesar is our big baby, lol! A mommas boy all the way, lol. His daddy is awesome to watch!! I swear I'd rather get hit by a car than that dog!!! He leaps through the air to catch ya!! TOTALLY AWESOME!!! In Germany they do not allow you to dock the tail, that is one way you know he's imported.

 

Protection work is NOT a game to the animal. If it were we would not need to seek out dogs bred specifically for this purpose, test their nerves and wait until they were 100% mature. You don't have to wait until maturity and test a dog to play fetch.

Here's a good link that breaks it down: http://www.leerburg.com/drives.htm

The reason so many "protection trained" dogs end up unpredictable is because they are trained and owned by idiots. A well trained dog WILL not pose a threat to the public and will be under 100% control of the handler. The cases of fatal dog attacks which resulted in animals "trained" in protection all had nothing to do with any clubs and the case of the woman with the 3 rotts that killed a 12 year old was kicked out of several clubs. I knew a "trained" gaurd dog (APBT) purchased from a "trainer" to protect my friend's frame shop. The dog growled, barked, stared and did not respond to his "off" command. He also chose to charge the throat and almost killed a woman walking into the shop after closing time. These sports/competitions are NOT as common as you might think in the US. Schutzhund clubs are growing, for sure, but there's a small handful of groups I would actually feel confident in. This sport is dominated by other countries and often have foreigners flown in regularly to educate the clubs ( such as the ones in my area ). Obedience training and protection training are worlds apart. There is a shortage of trainers who understand this type of work and offer their services regardless, which is a recipe for disaster.

Just like the old-time sport of matching dogs, there are only a handful that have the nerves to handle it. Handlers watch for "bad moves" just like in protection work. Just because you have a well bred dog doesn't mean you have a dog who can do the job. They could be imported from Mars but still need to be reasonibly tested at FULL maturity to even consider getting involved in this training. It's not a game, it takes a lot of friggin responsibility and serious work. They do tend to enjoy it, but it is very stressful, both physically and mentally to these animals. No one should even consider getting into it without knowing at least that.

 

However I see no need for a sport in wich the task for a dog is to bite a human and dont let go....and if such a dog is good in his sport and goes with full courage on a human he will be bred in those rotti or shepherd lines.They bred humanbiters ....plain and simple! I cant understand that this is allowed while the selection over fight is not allowed.

 

I agree. You really have to know dogs and have a good trainer. It is not something you want to do to "show off" it is something that can save your life or take a life. Serious training for serious dog people. NOT FOR EVERYONE!!! Here's a pic of the training field we go to, the owners have been recognized for their training in Police, bomb, drug and protection work by People Magazine etc... for over the years 30yrs for their accomplishments and expertise. Our trainer studied in Holland and a few other countries......

 

With a good Pitbull in Protection SPORT you train the dog in prey/play drive. NOT in defense. They aren't Mals or Shepards. There IS a difference between honest to God protection work and dog sports like Schutzhund and French ring. I'm not saying its not hard work, I'm talking about the drive/drives the dog is worked in.