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hello to all im curious whats the general opinion here. now i know what gamebred, show bred byb etc is. my question is this:

if a dog is bred down from gamedogs but no titled/tested dogs in last 3-4 gens is it considered gamebred or is it considered gameline? or once the dogs arent bred for gameness are they automatically considered in your opinion amstaff? such as a pup off two parents who were not tested or titled but the parents are off tested dogs.

hope thats clear.

 

Well I,m not experienced in this field but being game dog is up to the person putting them up to the test or weather or not the dog gave up or not. Well on being game bred is bred down from a line of game dogs.

 

Game bred dogs like already stated are from game bred lines. Doing health testing and or showing a game bred dog does not change what it is; it's just a different venue the owner choices to go with...

A gamebred dog also is not necessarily game to confuse you further

I get sick of hearing sometimes that all show dogs are crap and can't work. Yes, that is true for some but not all. Why do some feel the dogs can't be the total package????

I understand that gamebred dogs are not bred at all for looks but then what the heck is the standard for????? A dog with crappy structure no matter how good the drive will not be as structurally sound to do work as one of equal merrit that has proper form. Form follows function, but they really do go hand in hand

Now that being said dogs specically bred for showing ONLY without taking into account drive, temperament and athletic ability is sad for the breed IMO

Just my two cents on it

 

ooo i didnt mean any offense. my wording prolly sucks.

 

LOL None taken . I was just answering the question and adding a pet peeve of mine in, in the meantime. I think it is good to ask questions and get opinions, It is one of the best ways of learning

 

I thought it was a verry good question.

 

It IS a good question indeed...

I don't really have a clear and concise answer as far as my personal opinion goes. When I look for a bred dog (as opposed to a rescue dog as that is my forte) down the road, I'll most likely select a dog down from game lines, but not game tested or directly off gamebred parents as I don't approve of dog fighting in this day and age...so I guess your question is kind of central to my furture search for a dog...I'll most likely buy from a kennel like Cold Steel, but then again, one of my requirements to consider a breeder responsible is that they health test, and I have YET to locate a single "game" type breeder who does that. Actually, I know of one in my area, but I can already imagine the uproar that would occur if I bought a dog off them...

I only have one clear answer, and that is regarding the Amstaff part of the question. To me, an Amstaff isn't necessarily an AKC dog, but a dog bred solely for show...for UKC/AKC style shows specifically. They are your bulkier, overdone (yet not RE style) type of dog. So, just because a dog bred down from Yellow isn't fought doesn't turn him into a Gaff dog, for instance. Now, if his parents aren't game tested, I wouldn't call him game BRED, but, as you suggested, just down from gamelines...but he's certainly not an Amstaff...his pedigree didn't change at all.

 

IMO, if I'm getting a game bred dog, I want a dog off of tested stock. I have friend's with very tight bred game line dogs, but they are not game, to me. I can't tell him that, but we all know it. So the papers don't mean crap. There are breeders with good stock that are proven, which means the breeder is still doing breeding for the real purpose. It's kind of like that cartoon with the guy that saying 'Game!? My dog's game! Here look at his pedigree!'

But hell I use to think my dog was game just because he has game dogs in 1-4 ped, but I was brought to the light.


As for show pits, don't hate. I have show stock that works just as hard as some of my buddies' game dogs. I know I always bring him up in these subjects, but look at Gr. Ch. Boogieman, show line that's being crossed with game lines because he's still got potential. Look at the Norrod's, Lar-sans, Turpins Blu Trouble, Hemphills.

You might not have fight strong dogs, but they are still just as driven and and able to work. I would've traded off my male (yes the blue/seal one) if he turned out lazy, but he's more willing to work harder than other dogs I know that are bred tighter.