Inbred Health Issues

I'm looking into getting two dogs from a long time friend who has been in the game for years. He has inbred dogs before so I'm sure he knows what he's doing but I've never owned an inbred dog before so I don't know what to look for as far as health is concerned. What are the most common issues I should look for in the pups and how much time needs to pass to be at a point where the pups are content? Any and all other related commments are welcomed.

 

give it a few years.

i've been told some things are apparent from birth, certain outward physical defects, other things take years to surface.....these same folks said that's why it's so important to keep and cull out the bad ones from a litter that's a product inbreeding.

i heard one person on this board post something to the extent of "it doubles the good traits, and triples the bad ones."

i understand their logic behind this.

use the search option near the top right of the site...."inbreeding" or "inbred" should find you some good threads on this forum.

 

Here is a quick rundown from my experience. My answer depends on a few things:

1. How closely inbred will this litter be? littermate to littermate, or father to daughter, etc.

2. Are the parents bloodlines in both of the parents tightly bred already, or scatterbred? This could make a big difference. If they are already tightly bred, a lot of the faults should have surfaced in previous breedings. If they are scatterbred dogs, inbreeding them will certainly bring out faults that have been hiding, possibly for generations.

3. Has your friend inbred these two dogs before? If not, he/she should keep all of this litter to determine and cull bad traits. Your friend should already plan on doing this if he/she has inbred dogs previously.

4. What traits is your friend trying to retain from this breeding? This should be a question you ask them and they ask themselves before proceeding.

The guy that I got two of my APBTs from swears by inbreeding, and feels that it needs to be done to bring out bad traits and cull. It also helps to retain certain qualities that are found in the previous generations. Keep in mind, this is coming from just one dogman's opinion. I'm sure someone will chime in and give more advice.

 

I think it all depends on the stock you're using. I have owned & do own several inbred dogs & they've been healthy, hardy animals.

Since inbreeding limits the gene pool, if you're working w/ good stock you will usually get good dogs. But if you're working w/ stock that is less than ideal or has little buggers hiding in the woodwork THEN the problems will show up. So the problem is not with inbreeding itself, but what you're inbreeding ON.

For example, here is one of my dogs:

http://apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=55676

He is inbred as can be, but he's an awesome all-around bulldog & thus far has been healthy as a horse, 6 years old & going strong.

As for the OPs question, since there are so many recessive genetic uglies out there, there is no real "one thing" to look for. All you can do is observe the dog up until 2 years of age & then if you still have concerns, have various health tests done.

Hope this helps!

 

I wouldn't be alarmed. You should look for the same things as you would in any other dog. It also takes the same amount of times for problems to appear, depending on which problems just as mentioned above. This is no different no matter the type of breeding. You might get a recessive health problem from inbreeding but you can still get this same problem in outcrossing if both parents carry it. The only difference in inbreeding is increasing the likely hood of problems IF they are there because they should have at least some like genes. If problems are are not there then there isn't a concern. I'm assuming the parents are both probably at least linebred?

 

Sorry for the late response. The breeding is littermate to littermate and the sire and dam of the two being inbred are scatterbred and were bred only once creating the dogs that have just been inbred. Well the pups got here as of 11/19 and all 6 seem healthy and normal so far. The mother is taking great care of them. She was bred once before to another littermate and those pups turned into some fine bulldogs. I'll post pics of the two I picked once I get the screen on my camera fixed.

 

I like this thread! Ive got a q, anyone can weigh in on- Ive got 2 dogs from different litters. Same parents, different breeding. The father (Vin) is scatterbred. The mother (Anne) is from a bro/sis breeding and the father of this was from a bro/sis breeding. Confused yet? Just wait. Now the 2 dogs got together when the female was let out to pee while in heat. Not exactly a "planned" breeding but I had kicked the idea around. I feel Ive hit some inbreeding depression though, as both dogs are from 7-9 pup litters, but this litter (dob 11/10/07 :cool: ) had only 3 pups. Definite sign of lethal genes pilling up. Now one seems to be a fader, def smaller than his mates. I had originally planned to take the daughter back to the father to concentrate the original family blood (Norrod/RedDevil). But now Im thinkin outcross to a top flight cousin. Here is the question I have though, which (iyo) would be the way that you would take your dogs?

 

If the father is scatterbred, I don't see how you can have any inbreeding depression as he would likely be a total outcross to the mother.

Odds are if this litter was not planned he just hit at the wromg time. The female generally controls the litter size while the male controls the litter sex. If she was too early or too late in the heat, that could contribute to the small litter.

JMHO ...

 

Abk- where did you get the info about the female controling the litter size and the male the sex?

 

Just like in humans. The male determines boy or girl with the sperm. Also, the female's reproductive system will put out a set amount of eggs.

 

yeah, Idk what I was thinkin on that q. As far as her concerning the litter size, she had been bred before and had produced 8 herself. I had bred him back to his dam a year ago and he had produced 7 w/ her. Both of the above were one time breedings. So the fact that there are only 3 is what has me beliving in the lethal genes. The good stuff is the fact that all 3 are walking about, acting up and still gainin weight. So, Im glad I didnt lose any of them.

 

great info!!. from my experience, it does bring out faults but are most of the time unnoticeable. one of my males from an unplanned brother/sister breeding died before his 5th birthday and so did his siblings......

 

So tell me, would you consider this dog to be scatterbred or line bred and if he were to be bred with a littermate sister of his, what genetic defaults might show up in the pups? http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=171205

 

Are these rednose or blacknose pups? I ask because in my experience "problems" are less likely in blacknose dogs. I'm not knocking rednose dogs, matter of fact I have never had anything but rednose. One thing I have noticed is that the pinker the nose the more you need to watch for deafness and eye problems. Have both parents been checked for hip displasia? Helps to know. Good luck!

 

They are buckskin with blacknose! Perfect conformation with big teeth. Their heads are nice and they are muscle out, always have been since pups. The male is 36lbs and the female is 34lbs!! No bad signs or anything negative, except the male is a Screamer!!! He hollers when he sees another animal of any sort!! The Female is quiet and loving!!