american bulldogs

man thats the problem, i can't find a single thing about him, it was a few years ago that i read the info about this bulldog, but i can't remember damn near anything about, still trying to figure out his name, oh and there was a photo of him online also, now ofcourse nobody has to believe me because i don't have proof (right now) i'm just putting it out there that i've heard of one

 

You probably did read about some of this,but how much of this is the truth,and how much is it the authors imagination?.Ya know what Im saying..Please post anything you find pertaining to these gamebred american bulldogs..

 

yea i hear ya, well im still searching but when i come up with something ill be sure to post it

 

Just to add as I stated previously check out the Game Bred AB Club..There's tons of kennels that have "game-bred" AB. Most I've seen are the Scott Type dogs and crosses. But there's a whole different set of breeding practices that AB breeders use and things that go over well among them that wouldn't go over well in the APBT community.

 

This thread is pretty annoying. I cant beleive that some of you actually think or have been convinced an AB is a game dog. LOL. Dont even mention one being DG.

Most APBT's arent even game dogs and they have been bred for the pit for 100's of years. Pure APBT's that have been bred for gameness for countless generations still produce curs in large numbers. More curs than gamedogs in most cases.

 

Well, ive seen a 120pound Ovcharka go for 50 mins, not saying they are game. But there is hard/rough curs in other breeds than the apbt, so deal with it.

 

50 mins aint shit

 

For a breed that heavy and not bred for the box i'd say thats pretty good.

 

I never said I think their game bred....But there are kennels that claim they have them. As far as that goes I don't hold the opnion that there's to many game bred APBT around today was the point in breeding a dog for the box nowadays when it will never see one....It's like breeding coon dogs and never letting them hunt IMO.

 

Thats why only purists should breed APBT's. People that actually do work their dog the way it was intended.

 

That's not what I'm doing nor is it my intention. And you are right that the vast majority of gamebred APBTs are not "game" dogs themselves. All dogs can fight and most dogs will fight. Fighting does not equal gameness.

I'm just trying to put some info out there about AB's and their use as working jobs, whether it be as catch dogs, Schutzhund dogs, or guardians of the family farm. These dogs, when bred right and for the proper reasons, are amazing dogs. Are they APBTs? Nope. And they were never meant to be so.

 

Mia, point taken and understood. My annoyance wasnt directed at facts regarding the breed, it was the speculation that they were game animals or were considered a fighting breed.

 

a buddy of mine raises these dogs. most of his dogs are laaaaaaaaazy. the ones with more apbt blood present however seem to have more of a drive than those that look like an oversize english bulldog. however you got one of these big guys being nasty to someone robbing your house you got a hell of dog imho.

 

That goes for every dog breed.

Jones konfederate wasn't the first to breed black abs john e lichardt invented that stuff, (his words not mine) konfederate needed to clean up his dogs he used to hate colour in ab, jel sold off his black abs on some other guys since he wasnt satisfied whit it, some ones trash is another mans gold i guess.

 

the fine people at confederate kennels claim to have the first black american bulldog

 

bulldogs aren't supposed to be all black, the standard says there is supposed to be a certain percentage of the coat that is white. That is a big fuss among many of the bulldog people I know.

There are some really good bulldog breeders out there, the ones that I know breed for working first. They believe that a bulldog needs to do what it was bred for - which is catching hogs, mainly - but they breed for all around ability.

I know I have been to NKC shows with all the bulldogs and it is a completely different atmosphere than the ADBA or UKC shows. They have so many competitions besides the conformation and weight pull. They have driviest puppy, tug of war, races, always the protection tournaments there too. I forget what it is called but they have like an Iron dog competition where there is a group of dogs competing in multiple events for a title. They are actually a lot of fun, lots of good people, way more laid back than a Pit Bull show, but then, if we got our dogs out there for some of these competitions, people would think we were doing bad things with our dogs It sucks that because of public perception, we don't get to really show everyone that Pit Bulls are just as well balanced and versatile as other breeds.

I don't know who started the thread, but if anyone wants to get in touch with a few good breeders for bulldogs, let me know, I can point you in a few directions. I love a good bulldog, I just can't seem to get a handle on reading them. I will stay with my pit bulls, but always admire a hard working bulldog.

 

When I first got involved with this breed(apbt) I was fascinated with the origin of such a wonderful animal,and I would read any & everything that concerned the importation of dogs from England & Ireland..Still to this day I read any & everything I can about bulldogs,but my desire to "look far into the past" has diminished greatly..People that talk about dogs from decades past like they have a influence in the way "their dog" acts really make me chuckle..(This really has nothing to do with American Bulldogs but its what I was thinking at he moment..)

Dogs like the English BULLDOG,French BULLDOG,American BULLDOG,Olde English BULLDOG,Alapaha BULLDOG are ALL imposters..The only TRUE BULLDOG blood runs in the veins of the American Pitbull Terrier..And I am not talking about the the APBT that proves himself by passing obidience class or fetching the paper..

Also like someone already mentioned,alot of the American Bulldog lines are being crossed with APBT lines..Why would someone "pollute" their cherished "bulldog of old" blood(AB) with anything other than bulldog blood?.I know for certain I wouldnt even for half a second consider breeding one of my bulldogs to a American BULLDOG..

 

I am an owner of both but my AB is only about 5 months old though. I disagree that crossing my AB with my APBT would pollute either. Actually I can't wait until she has her first heat so I can mate her(AB) with my male(APBT), anyone interrested in a pup? OK...IT WAS A JOKE!!

On a serious not, I got my AB as a home guardian in mind. I did not want to train either of my APBT's for that task. As far as what is a better dog, it is still too early to tell. My APBT's are part of a great breed and show characteristics of the dogs of old. My AB has been barking at strangers for about 2 months now, something that neither of my APBT's ever did, so I do see a difference in that respect.
*****Please don't get upset about to breeding part of my post, it was a joke******

 

jones read the ped there dog came down from lichardt black betty what don says is that he has the first black ab champion.
Spf they breed to bulldogs because they got shit dogs and needs too clean it up, I dont mind the dogs being black but i dont like how they got their black colour. And they change the standard so people could show black abs, just another reason to hate dogshows. don himself send out a brindle ab at show in the 90 for to much colour. but the drive, nerves, temp and structure is what matters and i dont feel they got that and if some got it i know what shit that lays behind it and how that will pan out in further breeding's.

the shows are a good time dont expect to much from the pp work though i cant stress enough the importance of a good trainer and helpers when dabbling in pp or sport work...

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but the bood of the bulldog from yesteryears runs in the veins of ALL bulldogs breeds, not just ours. I'm not sure where you are getting your historical info from, but what you are saying is that the old bulldog converted to the APBT which then converted into all the other bulldog breeds. And that's just not right. It's like saying the Moloss of yesteryears only runs through the veins of the English Mastiff and not all the other mastiff breeds out there (& spinoffs including the Rottweiler & such).

As for breeding ABs to APBTs, it creates nothing more than a mutt as both are seperate and dinstinct breeds. However, people do it all the time to get larger dogs they then peddle as "pit bulls." So I'm glad you wouldn't consider it. It would be the equivalent of breeding your APBT to an EB or even the Standard Poodle for that matter.