I hate people who dog fight...this is why

This article made us tear up...this is why dog fighters deserve to die. They don't care about the damage they cause...
http://www.mainlinerescue.com/advocacy/dog-fighting

 

well let me tell u something honey, true dogmen of the past never did that kinda S*it ..

" When Oogy was four months old and weighed thirty five pounds he was tied to a stake and used as bait for a Pit Bull. The left side of his face from just behind his eye was torn off, including his ear. He was bitten so hard a piece of his jaw bone was crushed. Afterward, he was thrown into a cage and left to bleed to death."

thats just some sad a$$ dudes who should never be allowed to own a pitbull or any animal

and with all due respect but no man deserves a death penalty for doing that to animal.. beside, the animal survived.. i would hate to have a president who thinks dog fighters deserves to die.. i dont think so.. fine them.. or jail, but death, NOPE.


and one more thing.. "this is why dog fighters deserve to die" thats what animal right extremism is ..so dont be an extremist, i understand it can sometimes be very emotional

 

It is emotional and I was a little ticked when I read the article. No, they shouldn't get the death penalty but they do need stronger fines and jail times for animal cruelty....rob

 

I am truley sorry that ever took place. But the truth is,THAT is not dog men that let that happen. NO MAN would do that! !The truth is that dog men (of the pre 76 act)would never lessen thare name by doing that trash.Truth be told real dog people want the best for these dogs Please dont come on this site and bring us down with this trash the people in this are NOT trure game dog people. WE are way better than that and want way more for our Choice breed than that. Goodluck bashing dog fighters on another site you will find no dog fighters here. J

 

I wasn't trying to bring anyone down - just thought it was a sad but wonderful story of a dog's will to live and the second chance he got. And can you explain what you mean by "dog men"?

 

Yeah what do you mean by "dog men"....sound like somebody is full of water. lol.......Hey robc what's does the BSL thing mean at the bottom of your post?

 

Dogmen means that they were a true ambassador to this breed like Colby,Garner,Tudor,Henizel to name a few and wouldn't do this kind of twisted shit to their dogs or anyone's for that matter. They may have pitted their dogs pre '76 but they didn't use a "bait" dog to train them. It really is sad what happened to that dog just goes to show not everyone deserves to own this breed but cruelty and neglect also happen to other animals as well.

 

Hello rob, it is nice to hear you can sympathize with a suffering of animals. I too love animals and respect them accordingly. I read most of the story and agree Oogy's facial injuries and remarkable recovery were amazing.

That said, I tighten my fist every time people assume an injured dog amidst "Pit Bulls" HAS TO have been used as "bait for a pit bull". First, unless the irresponsible dog owners admitted to it, how can anyone else KNOW? It is more realistic to think a 4-month pup pissed the "Pit Bull" by his constant playfulness under no supervision. Yes, dog owner is guilty of neglect and lack of supervision. Those two factors are not a prelude to baiting a dog. I fear giving allowance to the "bait a Pit Bull" myth does a disservice to educating the public. In this case, you are the public.

To bait a "Pit Bull": The notion that dogmen and dogwomen THAT match dogs find "baiting" of any use is naive. "It helps them increase their thirst for blood"? LMAO, are our dogs vampires or something? Our dogs do not seek the fight to drink blood. The notion that a dog can be taught to fight with an inferior breed or an unwilling/unable dog is bogus. If you have a hard time following my thoughts, please envision a young man commencing his boxing training. Will he learn anything from sparring against much smaller kids that are unwilling to fight AND have their hands and feet tied behind their backs? I cannot stress it enough! The bait idea was created, fermented, and divulged by H$U$/PeTA through their sheep-minded humaniac goons and activists.

 

I feel for the poor dog but Jesus! To come in here and spout "ALL DOG FIGHTERS NEED TO DIE!" What in the hell kind of statement is that? Why dont you go to a jewish website and say "ALL YOU JEWS NEED TO DIE!" There are MANY people on this site who celebrate the history of this breed in its original form as a GAME BRED DOG. This has been said a million times but YOU WOULDNT HAVE THE APBT IF IT WERENT FOR GOOD DOGMEN WHO MADE THEM!!!! UNDERSTAND?!?!?!?!?!?

 

good post.

i've been told by someone that has been in the breed for a while that if you acted as such, you would not be looked upon well by your peers. even said that folks who would leave their dogs to on the ground to die while on the bottom or walk away from them during the contest would not be invited back...even game fowl enthusiasts have similar standards from what i've been told.

like you said, no self-respecting man would do that to his charge.

i really like the quote i jacked from 14rock in the "advice" thread that i put in my sig -

"Even the rankest cur is gamer than the gamest man. Respect them all, they took more than you did."

how you care for and maintain your animals says a lot about your character.

 

I knew this thread would create some sparks.

First i would like to address these two terms:
IMO there is a difference

Dog fighting, Any two idiots throwing two dogs together with little to no understanding, happens everyday

Dog Matching, When matching was legal, it was very organized and done on a professional level. The dogs were conditioned properly, and taken care of properly after a match. Most of the time. Many people associated with dog matching were professionals, upstanding citizens. Unlike the wannabes of today's generation...drinking 40's and throwing two 80lb dogs into an alley for no other reason than boredom.

I have to agree with Bullyson's statements. I personally celebrate and respect the history of the APBT. However, a common misconception is that people who share this belief, are pro dog fighting/matching.

Robc, indeed that was a sad story. However, do not always believe what the media & news people are telling you. Most of it is BullShit, do your own research. Organizations like Peta & HSUS pry on individuals who are easily brainwashed. They wanna connect all the dots for ya, before you even pick up the pen.

Rocky, good post BTW.

 

I agree with both Rocky and Bully.... Baiting as a means to prepare a dog for a match would be the equivelent to having Mike Tyson spar with the captain of the 8th grade boxing team to prepare for a 6 million dollar purse match. If you think about it - it does not even make sense. It is the act of a sick and twisted mind as it has no bennificial outcome in the "proclaimed" world (by the media) the story seemingly belongs in.

The more the media advertises this crap, the more sick and twisted minds will be effected and the more tragic incidents will result. We lost a dog to this media induced revulsion. They should just shut the hell up, this phenomenon has and had nothing to do with the real world of the great Doggers, the two should never be linked.

 

I can understand what you are saying but I do know that there ARE bait dogs. It happens - I have a rescued one and the owner admitted that's what he had him for. Maybe using bait dogs to get a dog to fight is stupid but then dog fighting is also stupid in any form. I'm sure there are those that condone and participate in dog fighting that aren't smart....so some may believe the "bait dog" myth and use them. Just because they shouldn't use them doesn't mean some don't. Seems like this whole thing has become something i never intended. I posted an article that I thought people might enjoy reading...It made me feel both sorry for the dog and also happy for him...he's survived so much and now has a great life. That's it...nothing else to it. Wasn't any kind of statement intended....I own two pit bulls and do everything I can to edcuate those who don't know how wonderful this breed is - i would never do anything to hurt the breed....rob

 

I know where the breed came from and I respect that but I hate any and all CURRENT dog fighters. Yes, they may have started out that way but dog figthing is wrong and brutal and heartless. I'm sorry so many are taking offense to the fact that I hate dog fighting and therefore also the people who fight them. Not sure why everyone is so defensive about this....I'm actually shocked...anyone who loves Pit Bulls should hate to see them fight...I'm confused....their history is one thing. Hell, the Romans used to throw people to the lions for a good time....doesn't mean they still do or that anyone would think it was okay now because that's their heritage....rob

 

It was an honest question...no sarcasm so why am I getting that back? You kept saying Dogmen in your post and I wasn't sure what you meant by it...I've never heard the term used that way before and asked for clarification so I can better follow what you were saying.

 

its our right to defend the breed " educate", if u read all the replies u received , no one here said they like seeing pitbuls fight, and no one said its ok now because its their heritage..

so yeah, other then that, have a great day/night

lol

 

robc..
How can you respect "where the breed came from" yet HATE any and all current "dog fighters"?. Wouldn't that mean that you would have hated all the dogmen of yesteryear if you were around at that time?.That would mean that if it were up to you there would be no such thing as the APBT..Only the AST..

You try to educate those who dont know how wonderful this breed is,huh?. YOU should learn a little about this breed before you go showing your ignorance..Defending animals that have been abused is one thing,but grouping a bunch of scumbags in with men & women that live and breath bulldogs is again very ignorant on your part..

You sir seem to have the same thought process as a animal extremist,in that if YOU think its wrong than it must be wrong..If it were up to me,people like you would be shipped off to antartica to live a happy,peacful life with no non human species to "worry about"..

I want to make it clear that I am against all forms of animal cruelty(ie: allowing a animal to suffer)and have not, nor do I plan on ever participating in any activity that would subject a animal to any suffering..

 

I think it could have been your opening statement that got you in the hot seat. I am one of the biggest "tree huggers' on this site and have been told so. I don't believe in cruelty of any kind, shape or form. But without true Dogmen and Women who breed and raised the breed that we all love, we wouldn't have the APBT. They dedicated their lives to make sure the temperament and health of these dogs were the best and when someone says "They deserve to Die." , well that's not good. When you hear horror stories like these and dog attacks from so called pitbulls, it's not a true breed of the dog. So many ppl have gotten their hands on them that health and temperament issues have risen and honestly you don't know anything about the dogs heritage unless it does come from a known caregiver and handler of the breed. Without the "Dog Fighters" of the past, there would be no good APBT"s for us to love and enjoy today.

 

The dogs of today are the best I have ever seen, Young people that learn what a real game dog is and learn the right way to house and raise and hunt these dogs are some of best care takers of this bred Learn that from DOG MEN (and women) They dont just still a pup and read the net and poof they are Carver over night. YOU are on a GAME dog site thare are people that have been around this breed there whole lives they will allways have a spot in them for these great dogs even if thay dont have one. I would say have a open mind and learn about this breed and you will have a better understanding. If you have a game bred dog now you have a lot to learn I can tell that allready. (dont want to read in a week or two My best bud rover ran off and killed the lab down the street I dont understand hes sutch a sweet boy) LEARN and keep them the right way and understand that there are dumb A$$ people in every sport and that to have a game dog you will allways be a target from closeminded people. YIS J (by the way that meens Yours in sport)

 

Yikes. robc, I can see you have a lot to learn. But that is nothing to be ashamed of, we had to all start somewhere.

To assume all dog fighters are "stupid" is very presumptious of you & also very incorrect. Yes, you have backyard knotheads who fight dogs, but you also have doctors, lawyers, police officers, politicians & others in well-minded professions who have matched dogs as well. Not everyone who matches a dog is a uneducated knuckle dragger.

Further, I have to disagree w/ your stance that "all dog fighters should die." You have to remember, if it weren't for dog fighters you wouldn't have Blue. Dog fighters are what made our breed the magnificent breed it is today.

Secondly, where are your priorities? How about the rapist, murderers, child molesters, etc.? Don't you think THEY should die first? I do. I'd rather 100 dog fighters live if we could kill 1 rapist, murder, ect. Instead, child molesters get less than a year in jail, while an ALLEGED dog fighter (not a convicted dog fighter, an ALLEGED dog fighter!) gets 102 years! All b/c of folks have mind sets like you, prizing the welfare of animals above that of a human being.

As for your question, some folks are hesitant to answer the question as to what a dog man is b/c the ppl who ask are usually tree-hugging trouble makers. But I will step up in try to inform you as best I can. If any one wishes to elaborate, please feel free.

A dog man is a breed fancier who lives, eats & breathes dogs. Dogs to them are always first & foremost. Never in any way, shape or form would a dog man allow a dog to suffer, nor do they condone any type of cruelty. Did dog men of the past test & match APBTs? Sure. But they did not do it in a cruel manner & the dogs always had the best of care. Never was a dog abused, allowed to be mauled or left to die.

Strangely, the folks who feed their dogs gunpower or kittens, or use bait dogs are the ones educated by the Humane Society or PETA. Never did dog men use these methods, as they are cruel & anyone who ever did anything like that would have been cast out of the dog man fraternity permanently.

Hope this helps.